Looks at Mordekaiser's (W) nerfs, looks down and lets out a sad sigh...

Rew711··8 votes·1,825 views

These don't really look like nerfs but more like compensation (buffs).

Health Cost: 25/30/35/40/45 up from 0 Damage increased to 180/250/320/390/460 (+90% AP) from 140/180/220/260/300 (+60% AP) Secondary Damage increased to 70/95/120/145/170 from 50/70/90/110/130 % health lowered to 25% from 33%

¬_¬ What do you guys think?


Looks like the Q health cost was increased to 20/25/30/35/40 from 20/23/26/29/32 health.


Also self-cast-able (look out for those rising mid and top and maybe even jungle %'s).

38 Comments

Crowe Stalker10 votes

CertainlyT: "Solo Mordekaiser is weak, and I promised he'd be fine, let me address that:" Buffs the only ability that is literally unusable for Solo Mordekaiser.

And here I thought CertainlyT had learned his fucking lesson and was actually going to fix Mordekaiser's Biggest Problem: SILLY ME!

Malicious Metal4 votes

{quoted}

CertainlyT: "Solo Mordekaiser is weak, and I promised he'd be fine, let me address that:" Buffs the only ability that is literally unusable for Solo Mordekaiser.

And here I thought CertainlyT had learned his fucking lesson and was actually going to fix Mordekaiser's Biggest Problem: SILLY ME!

He can self cast now!

But only deal the measly 70 reactivation damage...

Might as well not even put a point in it even after these changes... And I seriously thought they'd give him some solo lane power back. This is pure BS! He has HIGHER HEALTH COSTS. Even if you get the heal, it's even worse against minions at a 25% ratio... It's not even a buff to solo lane, NO, it's a NERF!

Rew7113 votes

Yes, a self-casting heal is such a nerf, even though it also buffed his duo in the mix allowing even more damage if with two. Its like if I were to solo, I can either heal myself or allow the jungler to possibly get some MS but deal bonus damage to anyone near us by a lot and/or he can go under turret with a heal if he's good enough. It's a buff. Even with the (not %) health costs, its a buff.

Bârd2 votes

Heal is only reduced versus lane creeps. Go jungle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igWdsKFsl8Q&feature=youtu.be

Silents4291 votes

I love when people make up quotes to prove a point.

Several long comments from CertainlyT himself regarding Mordekaiser http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uoXEEjAF-mordekaisers-fate?comment=000b000100000001000000000000000000000000000000000000

No where is your bullshit quote found or implied.

For those that don't want to read, CertainlyT wants to give him some power back for Solo laning but still wants focus to be on bot lane, so while he isn't going to go back to the broken heap he was before, he is going to get power for Solo laning, and it's hardly fair to judge him based off of the first damn PBE update.

ZephyrDrake7 votes

best "nerfs" ever, a minor heath cost for the price of a massive increase in damage and pretty much the same heal i would bet... or even the slightly higher if you bother building AP... I'm done Riot i seriously have no idea what to even think about you right now

Mimy3 votes

Mordekaiser : Get Welded.

Rew7111 votes

lol

Matezoide2 votes

They are making Solo Mordekaiser even more useless while Bot Mord is getting buffed.

.-.

DJ Di01 votes

{quoted}

They are making Solo Mordekaiser even more useless while Bot Mord is getting buffed.

.-.

He can W himself now.

Stars Shaper2 votes

It has health cost now

And they said they wanted to buff his solo lane... Can't see any solo lane buffs in here ._.

Big Lincoln2 votes

insignificant for solo mord

duo mord is gg now

Terabyte Marine1 votes

duo morde may be gone, and top lane morde may not work, but what about jungle morde?

Big Lincoln1 votes

duo mord is buffed, just so you know

Terabyte Marine1 votes

damage wise maybe, but heal wise, no. It's not a huge buff, it's also not a huge nerf. If anything, it's a legitimate balance change. The only thing really getting buffed here is top lane morde (has a third ability to use) and jungle morde (has a sustainable heal).

Big Lincoln1 votes

it's not even a relevant nerf to duo lane's power, solo lane is still pathetically gimped.

duo lane mord doesn't need more damage.

Terabyte Marine1 votes

against teams that know what they are doing duo morde is actually not that strong, it didn't have quite the dps that janna + another adc had and could be easily poked out.

His solo was never far off from old morde, just too weak early on and any abuse he took in lane led to an almost immediate loss in lane. This keeps him stable and allows him to not die to the harass he would receive from breathing on the enemy laner.

Even if his duo lane is "stronger" and his top lane is "terribly weak", his jungling has the sustain like warwick, his ganking is the same as shyvana's and his objective pressure is about as strong as nunu.

So I really don't see a problem with these buffs. I personally think he was underbalanced from the start (except for maybe the exp gain that still seems a bit too high to me).

Bârd2 votes

Keep in mind that both the persistant damage and the reactivation are DOUBLED if the enemy is standing in the overlap. This brings the maximum damage morde can deal with this skill to 1260 (+240% AP) magic damage. And you thought his Q dealt damage lel

Mordekaiser bring more men huehuehue

Rew7111 votes

This makes me want to puke. Why? Why can't he just balance anything correctly?

ChaosThief1 votes

That's assuming you stand next to him for the entire duration of his W. That pretty much shouldn't happen aside from ganks.

Rew7111 votes

I tried his new buffs on the PBE just to see how it works. I'm not going to say his early is any better, but that late though. My God, its unbelievable. I went and soloed dragon a couple of times and at level 18, after getting dragon, I went to baron with a full build and soloed baron with my pet dragon, the W active, and my Q taking almost 10% of its health every time I could activate it. I came out with still half my health intact because I not only dealt major damage to the baron but I also healed myself every time as well.

doombotMECHA1 votes

or a leona/thresh/blitz support

stealthfox941 votes

PBE

Chespin20135 votes

PBE hahahaha where the hell have you been? They rarely listen to us when it comes to PBE here are some fine examples Cassiopeia Kassadin Mordekaiser Ryze Veigar Warwick Fiddlesticks item 3718 item 3709 item 3724 item 3110 Sejuani Maokai Gragas JarvanIV

Rew7111 votes

He really thought I wanted to try on the PBE? I tried talking about Mordekaiser's damage and all I got was "get him when he messes up" and down votes with it. Like, why even try? At least on here, I can see some people understand that if one champ becomes clearly OP, he either needs a nerf, or others must also get buffs to not allow it to be a game of who picks OP the fastest wins.

Chippster1 votes

it can now also be self casted thats a pretty big thing to ignore.

MadDoughnutz1 votes

If you're going to post the PBE notes, at least post them correctly.

Mordekaiser Mace of Spades (Q) [health cost increased to 25/30/35/40/45 from 20/23/26/29/32 health] Harvesters of Sorrow (W) has several changes: W can now be self casted [Will not do the "when they touch" damage but will do the reactivate damage.] Movement speed noted as "up to" 75 instead of just 75 Health cost increased to 25/30/35/40/45 from 0 "When Touching" damage increased to 180/250/320/390/460 (.9 AP) from 140/180/220/260/300 (.6 AP) Reactivation damage increased to 70/95/120/145/170 from 50/70/90/110/130 % heal on minions lowered to 25% from 33%

Rew7111 votes

IT STILL DEALS... never mind. Hurray for self cast W. (Waves white flag.)

MadDoughnutz1 votes

Might want to edit your post to include the proper notes. You'll be misleading a lot of people without the right information.

luckmallory1 votes

It's a huge buff my man

Rew7111 votes

My point was that this was a buff. Now its just a bigger buff now that its self-cast-able.

A little Peepo1 votes

Why do you guys keep thinking they will buff solo lane mord? CertainlyT does what he please and he clearly said he wants morde as an adc. I'm sad to see morde in such a toxic state but as long as certainlyT keeps working for riot expect other champions to get fucked by him as well.

Rew7111 votes

Just give it time.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

This is basically a buff to everything except a duo lane.

Being able to cast this in a solo lane, even for only the reactivation damage, is a pretty big deal, while having the reactivation damage and a heal on neutral monsters is also really good for farming his jungle. He'd definitely be a decent, if not good, solo laner now, and the only keeping him out of the jungle is his severe lack of gank presence due to no CC.

For his duo lane carry role, the health cost addition, movement speed ramp (goes up to 75 instead of being at 75) and reduced healing on minions is a pretty big deal. It might just outweigh the damage buff he got on it.

However, it is also worth noting that not all is nerfed for Mordekaiser in the bot lane. Him being able to self-cast his W allows him to lane a little better while his support is either coming back to lane after recalling or after helping out either the jungler or another lane. In addition, self-casting his W also allows him to lane better with ranged supports that wouldn't want to get into melee range that much, since melee supports let Morde use his W to engage after his ally but ranged supports will not let Morde engage with it due to them being reliant on that range. Him being able to self-cast his W makes it more usable in these lanes.

Meep Man1 votes

He can self-cast it on himself now as well. I'm not too sure about that W two target buff though when you consider that damage is doubled if they are being hit by both metal storms.

Koldheartedjsp1 votes

I will be pleased if it's selfcastable

As long as I'm not forced into going into bottom lane I'll be very happy

Rew7111 votes

Just tried it on the PBE vs a Ekko and let me tell you that the sustain he has and the damage he deals is insane. He's better off mid if you want a evened out match, yet his % win rate may go up a lot after or if this goes live.

Bârd1 votes

even if, somehow, it hurts his laning... he can self cast his heal Which is only reduced against LANE minions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igWdsKFsl8Q&feature=youtu.be T_T

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