Gold income items, Are they actually worth upgrading?

only zhule··2 votes·4,979 views

So recently i took another look at the 3 support income items, and the more i looked the more i started to really wonder if they are strong enough to justify getting the upgrades, tier 2, for them in the early game. The more i played the more i felt like the Spelltheif's edge upgrade really doesn't get much in comparison to the Relic shield, or the ancient coin. And over all that the Relic shield gives the most bang for your buck.

I will admit i don't know the exact math, I.E. the spawn timer for minions, the amount of gold minions drop as time progresses, etc... But i feel like the Relic shield can pay for it self in something like 8-10 mins, while the spellthief takes approximately 20 mins, and i wouldn't be surprised if the coin takes the same or longer to pay for it self.

relic shield upgrades and gives an extra 100 health, 50% base health regen, the recharge of the passive goes from 60 seconds down to 30, an extra charge of the passive, the passive heals for 10 more and will go off at 240 (as compared to 200 at teir 1)

Spelltheif's edge upgrade gives +5 ability power, +25% base mana regen, and increase the amount of gold received from landing a basic attack or spell from 5 gold per, to 10 gold per.

Ancient coin upgrade gives 25% base health regen, +10 movement speed, 2 gold per 10 seconds, and a bonus 1 gold for every enemy minion that dies near you without you giving the killing blow.

I personally would like to see the spelltheif items get a bit of a power boost in tier 2 and 3. Maybe something as simple as removing the fact that the passive shuts down for 12 seconds if you kill a minion.

12 Comments

LegendaryLemur3 votes

The spellthief line is actually the most efficient of the three in terms of gold generation, if you are utilizing each to 'maximum' effectiveness (i guess if you are getting mutliple lanes of minions somehow, the others could be more).

Of course you have to land harass to proc the gold generation, if you aren't doing that its not a good item to choose.

Upgrading to tier 2 spellthief (Frostfang) gets you an extra 5 gold every 10 seconds if you are maximizing which pays for itslef (the 500 gold upgrade cost) in under 3 minutes! So yes its definitely worth it, in my opinion. The other two lines offer pretty similar increases for upgrading to tier 2.

Upgrading to tier 3 you can put off for a bit later, since that's more about the item active (i don't think gold generation increases at all apart from the frost queen claim eliminating the minion-killing penalty).

only zhule1 votes

ok serious question here, how did you come to getting 500 gold (the upgrade cost) in under 3 mins? You get 3 charges per 30 seconds, each charge is worth 10 gold. So assuming you land ALL of them you max out at 60 gold per minute. The tier 1 would produce a maximum of 30 gold per min from the charges.

My calculations for the item 3303 into item 3098 was the difference in gold gained from the upgrade.

LegendaryLemur1 votes

Ah okay somehow i thought there were 360 seconds in a minute, so numbers are wrong. My mistake!

Sockenfreack1 votes

I feel u.

But I think thy are worth it. I mean when I buy the spell thief then I'm a hard poking support (Velkoz basically only support when I get it) But I don't like the relict shield. Cuz I always try to get the big siege minion for max profit but adds oftn kill them first without u getting a chance to get it. I personally thing the best gold income is the coin. Especially when u got the mysteries for 1 bonus golg for nearby dieing minions

TDubH2 votes

You guys are forgetting something about relic shield line though... It offers more sustain for your adc, i was screwing around with math a few days ago, for the early laning phase when playing Twitch, it takes 15 AA's to achieve 40 HP of lifesteal with 90 ATK DMG since your AA is about .8/s it takes about 18.75 seconds of STRAIGHT AA's to get 40 hp however it takes more than that as you cannot straight AA so closer to 40 seconds... while the timer of relic shield is 60 seconds recharge so you get 120 hp/100sec with a support Of course Targon's brace is 50 hp and 30 sec cooldown which is better than the natural sustain given from doran's blade Then you have have FoTM which is 80 HP and 1% of your health per stack which can be hugely greater than the HP from BOTRK which twitch will get.... So while not producing a lot of gold the relic shield line gives ALOT of HP for the ADC which can help you win lane.

Zarxis1 votes

It's not a bad idea to sell off the tier-3 version once you get to the late-late game (when you would normally sell your boots) if you ever do upgrade your support items.

I usually just leave the tier-one version unupgraded, and I leave it in my inventory as long as possible. None of the actives feel impactful enough to make up for the items' meager stats in the late game.

KnivingDude1 votes

item 3303 series of items I always get for Bankplank. It was the only 1 out of all the items which gives money faster than the others. Also AP for the Oranges.

Durzaka1 votes

I think youre not quite taking into account the value of the tier 2 and 3 upgrades. They are just pure gold gen items at that point. They also have other power in their budget (damage for frostfang, health/shield for mountain, and regen/movement for coin).

THAT is why you upgrade it for the most part. Because it provides a fairly cost efficient boost in power as well as giving more gold gen.

only zhule2 votes

So wait are we talking tier 2 or tier 3? because at tier 2 i'll admit that you kind of get your money's worth on the item 3302 and item 3301 lines. But i wouldn't not say you get your money's worth with frostfang. 5 ability power and +25% base mana regeneration are pretty small power-ups. For all intents and purposes Frostfang= two spelltheif's edge on top of each other... but you pay an extra 100+ gold and don't get to stack the gold per 10 effect.

Partholonian1 votes

You're leaving out one of the benefits of item 3098 -- the bonus damage per poke increases from 10 to 15 (plus the AP gain, if you're poking with something that has an AP ratio). This goes up even further if you have an ability that multi-procs like Morg W, or if you land poke combos like Sona Q+AA.

Tier 3 already removes the lockout on minion kill -- maybe tier 2 could cut it in half (shuts down for 6 seconds)?

Miku Lv991 votes

I upgrade all but the spelltheif, which even that can be upgraded if you're confident you can make yourself a whole lot of money with it. But overall I'd say Frostfang and Frost Queen's Claim are pretty bad buys and in really high elo probably never worth getting.

IcyPepper1 votes

I love item 3069 I think item 3092 is meh, but okay item 3401 is alright.

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