How the actual FUCK do you lane against Aatrox as a melee??

USG Failsawce··1 votes·1,946 views

I cannot even believe my eyes.. his animation speed and cooldown makes it beyond impossible to get close to cs. And once you're behind because he zoned you out by facerolling his keyboard for 10 minutes straight.. he can poke you under turret from safety due to the range of his Q, once again zoning you from csing. Then dive you easily because of his runspeed, damage, and inability to die.. oh and the fact that he took ignite means a guaranteed free kill every time it's up.

where's the counterplay here? how the fuck is this fun for anyone??

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mack91121 votes

It's definitely tricky but its all about playing around the three hot boxes

USG Failsawce1 votes

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It's definitely tricky but its all about playing around the three hot boxes

ok and how exactly do you do that when hes perma spamming them without any downtime?

not to mention, even if you somehow manage to dodge all his Qs.. you still can't cs. all he has to do is nonstop spam all his abilities on top of his own minions, and you can't even get close to them... wtf is the point in the laning now if one side literally does not even get to lane for the entirety of the match.

CauseSCIENCE1 votes

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ok and how exactly do you do that when hes perma spamming them without any downtime?

not to mention, even if you somehow manage to dodge all his Qs.. you still can't cs. all he has to do is nonstop spam all his abilities on top of his own minions, and you can't even get close to them... wtf is the point in the laning now if one side literally does not even get to lane for the entirety of the match.

Stay close to him so he can't knock you up with his outer 2 q's, then you should have enough time to get out of the knockup of his third. Once he's used it, you should be fine.

Yenn1 votes

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Stay close to him so he can't knock you up with his outer 2 q's, then you should have enough time to get out of the knockup of his third. Once he's used it, you should be fine.

You mean stay close to him so he's guaranteed to land his chain, then hammers you with the center of the third Q when the chains pull you in?

This doesn't work above Bronze.

CauseSCIENCE1 votes

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You mean stay close to him so he's guaranteed to land his chain, then hammers you with the center of the third Q when the chains pull you in?

This doesn't work above Bronze.

You can just walk to the side you know.

Yenn1 votes

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You can just walk to the side you know.

While he hits you with the edge of the second Q, because you now have to take a predictable straight path to break the chains in time. Solid strategy.

CauseSCIENCE1 votes

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While he hits you with the edge of the second Q, because you now have to take a predictable straight path to break the chains in time. Solid strategy.

There are 6 different angles that you can walk out of the chain, each of which can easily change the outcome of the duel. Not that predictable I'd say

mack91121 votes

So what champs do you play into him that you are struggling with?

SoullessFlunky1 votes

Some people are prolly gonna respond and say it's easy. But I'm with you! I get destroyed by aatrox in lane as a melee. XD I'm not very good at the game, so my opinion isn't really that relevant lol, but got damn im with you.

Noor Sakata1 votes

Ok here's how Play a melee mobile champion like Yasuo/Fiora dodge his first Q , dodge his second Q , dodge his 3rd Q the red part s you don't get knocked up , dodge his W , he lands an auto on you , he wins the trade , surrender 15 , post nerf Aatrox

Go to PBE Aatrox The Darkin Blade (Q) [Removed] Monsters no longer take 10% bonus damage

Whoah wtf Riot you gutted Aatrox wait nvm I'm just not feeling okay for no reason

Fear the Kayn1 votes

He’s relatively difficult to play well because of the tiny hit boxes on his Q. Play a mobile champion who can outdamage him up close and stay on him Darius Garen Jax Urgot Tryndamere

Schenix1 votes

You know his next 2 moves if he uses 1 Q.

Either he wants to use W, or he'll try to hit the other 2 Q's. A good Aatrox will use them to zone because E can make Q more dangerous. However, he's predictable in a solo situation, and should require flash to sustain a kill. Aatrox is actually pathetically weak if you just get up in his face. He can be 3 kills up and if you're a decent melee champion -- you'll still beat him or force him back if he can't land the third Q on you with passive. All he has is W to peel you off, and if that's gone, as almost any bruiser you can be aggressive on him, ignoring his autos. If you make the first moves as well, his first 2 Q's are worthless and he needs W. Bait it out or wait for it to be used, kill him -- alternatively simply outplaying it knowing that it's coming and has a cast time.

Early on, the cooldowns are quite long -- he can just space out the Q's to make it seem shorter. You're able to just be aggressive when he wants to zone or trade with you because the second Q will be utterly useless, and you then know there's only one ability left to him -- which makes it easier to play around and even then not too much damage in comparison to what you will be dealing out continuously because he can't stop you after that, even if you have half hp -- you're going to make him pay for that trade with more. If that misses, you zone him now. The lane is about not relinquishing it to Aatrox containing zoning abilities because they're very punishable by confident plays and quite awful actually at extended dueling. It's a kit that punishes passive players or ones that are too afraid of his abilities rather than those who are actively engaging in lane dominance at good intervals. Engaging when the passive is down is the main prerequisite, which you can tell by how he holds his sword and when he strikes.

Late game, he still dies if you just jump him and his ult is down. His close range abilities are garbage. If he uses W on you to get you off, moving to the side cancels the chain and makes his third Q very difficult to land anyway and even allows you to outplay his third Q with his own W. Aatrox's kit counters himself in solo queue, it's very readable -- you just have to choose your action or reaction intelligently enough to punish. It's a little ironic how much counterplay is in his own abilities.

Coordinated play though, he's busted. Can't go silly aggressive without knowing about junglers or roaming laners or another quick TP behind you -- and that lets Aatrox control the lane because he has zoning abilities built for control over actual dueling, something which normal engage aggression would counter but is discouraged due to a high variety of punishes by the enemy team that are possible. Then he just has his ultimate as a safety net to frontline for free or get out of a high damage rotation or bad spot. Great champion in a competitive environment. Relatively garbage in solo queue if your team isn't recognizing you have an Aatrox -- which the latter opposite tends to happen at higher elos and open up his abusive laning on an opponent that can't engage when they sorely want to. You'll notice even in Worlds how if an Aatrox is caught out and not 3 kills ahead, even the enemy top with a kill below and 30 cs down, or even the jungler with half an item less can just run at him while the team 4v4's mid, with murder in their eyes and the Aatrox has to flee because aggressive dueling simply outpaces his control in most cases.

Know your own champion, know the enemy champion, and abuse accordingly. Some have less windows than others. Aatrox unfortunately, has Ryze syndrome. Game has a lot of facets and a plethora of abilities, champion matchups, and mechanics which are exhausting to keep track of constantly at every second of the game. It's natural that you will learn as you pay attention and grow.

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