Remove toxic mechanic

Xavanic·Jan 25, 2016·4 votes·965 views

Dear riot, I understand you wanna remove toxic mechanics (Ie. silences on assassins, point and click CC), but you should focus out untargetability, like i understand ults like zed/ekko ult are a little more balanced, but zhonyas and fizz pole/vlad pool/elise rappel need to be reworked, no champion should be able to just become untargetable. I have been banned for talking back to teammates who flame me because I get killed by champions who abuse this mechanic. On top of this, remove the armor on zhonya's or the AP, no ap item should give armor stats

31 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJan 25, 20162 votes

What

JQKAndreiJan 25, 20162 votes

Yet ad items give mr stats, logic?

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

Yeah, because its balanced that 1 armor item (zhonyas) generally stops most dmg from ad assassins, but it takes 2 or more MR items to prevent getting 1 shotted by a burst mage, logic?

JQKAndreiJan 26, 20161 votes

Those mr items give you constantly those defences and about 800 health making you fairly tanky to anything, constantly, and not only for 2.5 seconds. When Zhonya's on cooldown the mage is still squishy af and has no defences.

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

Squishy? you ever play against an ekko/diana, they are about as squishy as a malphite. like imo zhonya's is TOO cost effective, they either need to lower the ap down to 50, or remove the armor stat completely, if you cant self peel as a mage, then you need to learn how, zhonyas in its current state just allows mages to do stupid shit and not be punished for it

BeldairJan 26, 20161 votes

Ekko and Diana are super squishy. I've destroyed them really fast while Malph took longer.

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

explain how i can jump on a 1/3 diana as a 9/4 rengar with nearly 300 ad, and not even do a quarter of dianas hp with my full burst combo and many AA's after, she only had zhonyas...and didn't even use the active

BeldairJan 26, 20161 votes

It depends on the items and if she was able to land all her abilities including a moonlight double R.

I tend to be squishy champs and can quite easily beat them 2 so idk why you have so much trouble against them.

XavanicJan 27, 20161 votes

Diana just doesn't take dmg, like this wasn't a 1 time thing, I see diana's just not take any dmg from burst combos all because of that shield, like I don't understand how it absorbs so much

BeldairJan 27, 20161 votes

Aha..see it's not the item. It's the fact you can't beat her because you don't understand how to counter her shield.

JQKAndreiJan 26, 20162 votes

I hope you realize what you're saying makes no sense.

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

Ok, let me dumb it down for you, Zhonya's gives 100 ap, and 50 armor, a luden's echo gives 100 ap, and armorwise, you get 50 armor off a dead mans plate, so you have half a dead mans plate and half a ludens echo into 1 item, then in addition, it gives mages an active that has more utility then most other items. I feel this item wouldn't be so bad if mages like LB/ahri/fizz weren't around as it would limit its strength, but since ap assassins are arguably the most mobile class of champion, this item promotes toxic gameplay

JQKAndreiJan 26, 20162 votes

Zhonya is fine, 2.5 seconds of stasis allows both teams to take advantage of the situation.

That's the reason why it has that duration, because it doesn't save you no matter what but only if your team can gain control of that area.

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

Its the fact the item is overloaded, always has been, it gives decent armor, very high ap, and a very strong active, for its gold cost

No flash no lifeJan 26, 20162 votes

I don't even know where to begin.

SachabotJan 26, 20162 votes

I'm starting with a downvote and following it up by going to other topics, myself.

CalabokJan 26, 20162 votes

Th Durp is strong in this one, Luke

the ƒláshJan 26, 20162 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Supreme SmokeJan 26, 20162 votes

Bro, did you just even realize what you said?

XavanicJan 26, 20162 votes

This community is hopeless, make a stupid post like this and all the assholes comment, post asking for advice, no one even reads it

CrisisEchoesJan 26, 20161 votes

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This community is hopeless, make a stupid post like this and all the assholes comment, post asking for advice, no one even reads it

Ur mom is hopeless

XavanicJan 26, 20162 votes

Real mature,

CrisisEchoesJan 26, 20161 votes

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Real mature,

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XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

My moms dead dude

CrisisEchoesJan 26, 20161 votes

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BeldairJan 26, 20162 votes

So in that logic, Bard's ult would need to be removed.

You obviously have issues against Fizz, Vlad, Elise, and mages that get Zhonya's.

Fizz- super squishy and can be easily taken down if engaged at the right time

Vlad- Can he super tanky but at a slight cost to damage. Can be CCed to lock him down for his death

Elise- squishy and can be focused to death. Not a major threat.

Mages with Zhonya's- force them to pop the active then burst.

I can actually easily take down a Zhonya's mage as Kassadin, Garen, Urgot, and Akali.

Am i really good with them, no. But i have knowledge on when i should engage.

XavanicJan 26, 20161 votes

I don't like mage hybrid items, zhonya's is the worst though, if a mage wants armor, they should have to build an armor item, not get away with building an item that has as much AP as a ludens echo

BeldairJan 26, 20161 votes

That is your opinion.

But it would just be like saying how someone doesn't like how an assassin can get an ad item with mr. If they want mr, build mr items.

XavanicJan 27, 20161 votes

Exactly, thats how it should be, the only hybrid stat that should exist is hp, and that's because its a universally good stat, we shouldn't have ad-mr, ap-armor, MAYBE ap-mr and ad-armor, but no cross hybrid stats

BeldairJan 27, 20161 votes

They do that to help them survive. If an enemy team is primarily AD, a caster isn't gonna benifit a lot from ap-mr and gets nothing from ad-armor.

Hence the zhonya's ap armor.