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Why is Zoe gutted after a few months of mayhem when Yasuo...

Aimléss·9/2/2018, 4:41:16 PM·13 votes·4,021 views

Yasuo, Shaco, etc. get to be the most oppressive unfun to play against champs for years and never get touched? Even if Zoe is unfun to play against. That is also the case for Yasuo and he gets just as many complaints. In the midst of a crucial team fight the guy will just windwall a ranged champ for 3 seconds while his team dogpiles the front line, and the instant it goes down his tornados up, so you either try to fight and get ulted/killed or just let him win the game... FFS, if I'm a ranged champion I'd rather fight Zoe and just buy QSS and banshees. Then Shaco will stealth and kill you so fast with backstab and darkharvest you'll instinctively find your fingers on alt-f4 (literally in less than half a second) or camp your lane so hard with his stealth you'll never enjoy the game anyway.

And there are still more champs that are just not fun to play against at all. So let's face facts, the only reason Zoe was gutted was not because the boards complained, and the player based was so vocal about how unfun she was to play against. It was the fact that she was pick or ban for too long in pro play, so Riot had to gut her just like Ryze.

Tldr; Foolish players, don't ever think our words mean a damn thing...

19 Comments

HaIlMonitor9/2/2018, 7:21:39 PM4 votes

I just find it funny people hated Zoe worst, when she is basically a mirrior of Ahri. But Boobies and Fox tails AMIRITE?

S0kaX9/2/2018, 4:55:36 PM3 votes

Because RITO doesn't want to nerf their favorite champions

Edge of Daybreak9/2/2018, 4:58:43 PM3 votes

Annoying =/= strong. If we gutted things people found annoying we wouldnt have much of a game left.

StefanX229/2/2018, 5:28:42 PM2 votes

well theres a difference between low elo players complaining that yasuo is broken and unfun to play against and high elo players and pro players saying the champ is simply overpowered and unfun to playas or against.champs you mentioned are rarely picked while zoe had a pretty much 100% pick/ban ratio in high elo and competitive

iiGazeii9/2/2018, 5:47:15 PM2 votes

They're currently working on making Zoe more fun and fair to play against, but I don't think they will gut her. They had internal changes to her that didn't ship to the PBE, but they want to reduce her point-and-click damage and make it so that she actually has to land skillshots to get value. They even tried removing the trap part at the end of Sleepy Trouble Bubble, but I hope they don't go that direction.

Leave the trap on the ground, but have it slow everyone inside it and amp Zoe's damage to the targets inside the circle (not as much as a direct hit with the bubble, maybe 20%). This would give Zoe more zone control and better waveclear, without letting her miss her sleep and hitting it anyway because it splatted out on the ground.

I'd also like to see them reduce the damage of More Sparkles baseline, but increase that damage after she hits an enemy and/or add more utility if she hits an enemy champion with a spell and the laser, such as a movement speed buff or CDR. More Sparkles encourages Zoe to stay close to her lane opponent so she can get autoattacks off, instead of sitting under tower and hurling Paddle Stars at them.

Spell Thief is also a big offender of guaranteed damage. However, if it didn't do damage, it would encourage Zoe to only use it defensively for the movement speed. Like More Sparkles, I think reducing the damage but adding more utility is the way to go. Having the missiles apply a debuff (slow, lower MR, lower damage to Zoe), or a bigger benefit to Zoe (CDR, mana, shields) would make Zoe want to keep fighting champions when she uses her Spell Thief, but wouldn't let her chunk an enemy for unavoidable damage. I'd also love to see it key off of Zoe's own active items, to open up some build diversity.

rayzo9/2/2018, 9:36:31 PM1 votes

Because a 2-item Zoe didn't have to land skillshots to kill you? Now she does. uNpLaYaBlE gUtTeD

specter4249/2/2018, 6:19:58 PM1 votes

shaco is awful and worse than he was pre rework

Unstoppable Monk9/2/2018, 9:34:09 PM1 votes

is this like the same person that keeps making shaco / yasuo nerf threads or something?

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