Can we do something about the lvl 2 jg ganks on lvl 1 laners?

Rexxiee·Jul 26, 2018·5 votes·3,698 views

Its the lvl 3 ganks on lvl 2 laners all over again, except even earlier now, and ppl wonder why the game is a snowball fest.

You literally walk up to lane and you're already getting ganked by a lvl ahead jungler with a buff at full health... I mean you're not afraid of destroying bot lane so why not actually fix the jungle then so solo laners can actually play their lanes 1v1?

Just make it so you need 2 camps to get lvl 2 or increase the damage monsters do so if they want to do a cheese gank they are like at half health or less, to make it a risk reward decision rather than "free snowball or free kill".

22 Comments

PrimaquariusJul 26, 20183 votes

Dont worry, by level 7 junglers are horribly behind with every 5 seconds they spend not farming

NhifuJul 26, 20181 votes

No issue when you gank and get tower first blood, and the enemy jungler is a level behind lol

lilpokflufJul 26, 20182 votes

How would you stop them? The current set up is jungler always hit lvl 2 from first camp which they sometimes get leashed so they may take very little damage. the only way i can think of to stop them would be to have the jungler not reach level 2 immediately but that would completely gut a majority of jungle champions.

RexxieeJul 26, 20182 votes

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How would you stop them? The current set up is jungler always hit lvl 2 from first camp which they sometimes get leashed so they may take very little damage. the only way i can think of to stop them would be to have the jungler not reach level 2 immediately but that would completely gut a majority of jungle champions.

Either that or delay the jungle monsters from spawning for atleast 10 or 15 extra seconds.

About every single jungler can jungle without a leash with how much of a joke the camps are to clear now, maybe just removing leashes would make their early game ganks not as early and less safe.

lilpokflufJul 26, 20181 votes

Giving 10-15 seconds is a buff to invaders and fast pushing assassin midlaners. You would have to increase jungler experience/sustain or the same thing happening to you at level 1 would be happening to junglers.

Edit: Maybe if they actually made buff+ scuttle+ any camp give level 3 the cheese gank wouldn't happen since scuttle would be much more enticing

Master of BlightJul 26, 20181 votes

Haha ur ideas are so bad. So lets say they delay the spawn of the camps so ur in lane for 10 seconds farming lanes before a jungle camp spawns. Firstly ur jungler might want a leash so that puts whatever laner leashing them losing an entire wave. So jungle champions that don't need leashes would be preferred so junglers don't have a losing lane that they have to camp so it negates a lot of champions for the jungle. Secondly do you think a jungler is gonna just sit in the jungle waiting on the camp to spawn or do you think that there will be a level 1 gank in some lane while they wait? Please read this carefully and do me a favor and watch a replay of any game u have. Watch what a jungler does, his pathing, anything that can help u realize what a jungler has to do. Their is more to a level 2 gank now that skuttle exists and lack of a jungle item that provides vision. The risk is really high for a level 2 gank like losing an entire side of the jungle to an invade.

If you think that any jungler can do their first clear without leashes and contest skuttle then you are sadly mistaken. Plus experience in the jungle is already really low so laners can out pace a jungler if they cant fast clear and gank. Only a few jungle champions can do this some have to rely on ganks till they get an item like Tiamat, ruinic echos, or bami cinder before they can clear fast enough to be relevant.

Buckeye2002Aug 29, 20191 votes

No, they should just reduce the xp you get, so you have to kill a few more camps, as a mid, I HATE level 2 ganks...and if you do and I start winning, I will trash talk the fuck out of you

Master of BlightJul 26, 20182 votes

So your saying that a jungler should not get a level from getting his red or blue because u don't know how to ward and play safe or ward river when u get to lane....... ur post is nothing but a bad complaint I would love to know what role u play I have a feeling its adc

RexxieeJul 26, 20183 votes

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So your saying that a jungler should not get a level from getting his red or blue because u don't know how to ward and play safe or ward river when u get to lane....... ur post is nothing but a bad complaint I would love to know what role u play I have a feeling its adc

Yes, let me just go and ward my lane before minions spawn so i dont get lvl 2 ganked, and then when minions get to middle of lane im just gonna afk on the tower because junglers exist, thats a fun way to play the game LOL.

PrimaquariusJul 26, 20181 votes

As a support main, thats a great idea for you, please try it out more often

Master of BlightJul 26, 20182 votes

So your saying that if u ward and ur farming ur wave that u don't have time to see a jungler appear on ur ward and back u p to tower? Either your ward placement is really bad or ur map awareness is really bad. Work on those two things and stop complaining bout junglers applying pressure when that is entirely their job.

S0kaXJul 26, 20182 votes

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So your saying that if u ward and ur farming ur wave that u don't have time to see a jungler appear on ur ward and back u p to tower?

Or he's playing against Shaco or Twitch

Master of BlightJul 26, 20181 votes

Shaco I understand his level 2 is crazy I think the duration of his stealth is way to long a level 1 but a twitch level 2 gank is pretty easy to escape if he goes for his slow he doesn't have the ability to burst. Plus twitch has camo not true invis so if he can get close enough to you then he deserves some reward to that risk.

If there is a enemy shaco or twitch then u have to adapt and respect that kind of gank with deeper early wards to see what side of the jungle they are on, or deeper wards in river so you can see them before they can go invis. If you cant adapt in league you will lose, that a simple fact.

ValiantKillerJul 26, 20182 votes

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Shaco I understand his level 2 is crazy I think the duration of his stealth is way to long a level 1 but a twitch level 2 gank is pretty easy to escape if he goes for his slow he doesn't have the ability to burst. Plus twitch has camo not true invis so if he can get close enough to you then he deserves some reward to that risk.

If there is a enemy shaco or twitch then u have to adapt and respect that kind of gank with deeper early wards to see what side of the jungle they are on, or deeper wards in river so you can see them before they can go invis. If you cant adapt in league you will lose, that a simple fact.

Honestly twitch just need Shen q or any form of level1 cc champion to make good gank so your logic is funny somehow.

ValiantKillerJul 26, 20181 votes

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Yes, let me just go and ward my lane before minions spawn so i dont get lvl 2 ganked, and then when minions get to middle of lane im just gonna afk on the tower because junglers exist, thats a fun way to play the game LOL.

Imagine if that jungler was Twitch So no point of warding even.

LordGeovanniJul 27, 20181 votes

If you are getting ganked level 1 that is exactly what you should do. If the game was only about fun ways to play it and nothing stopping that fun riven wouldnt be a champion neither would yasou ezreal or zoe.

SwiftKitten88Jul 26, 20182 votes

LOL you think i gank you at lvl 2 to help them get a kill?? [sg-miss-fortune]

im ganking at lvl 2 to steal 2 minions worth of exp so i can hit lvl 3 on my 3rd camp, otherwise i cant clear my jungle for shit.

if i can make u blow a summoner or get my ally a kill that's even better.. but its NOT why i am there.

ValiantKillerJul 26, 20182 votes

But but they already reworked jungle and give us that aweful jungle change cause of that....but yah it didn't work.

KrullyJul 26, 20181 votes

jungle camps already have had the exp they give reduced, tho I do have to say the scuttle changes are stupid

PhearBunnyJul 26, 20181 votes

lvl 2 ganks are pretty predictable....and they put the enemy jungler in a bad situation to lose half his jungle.

KekKaiaxJul 27, 20181 votes

If you know where the jungler is starting, try to avoid that side of the river or ward it. For example, if you see enemy bot coming late, you avoid bot river. If you see enemy red coming late, you avoid top river.

LordGeovanniJul 27, 20181 votes

I actyally have no problem with that. It requires co ordianation and awareness. Just like the play around for it requires awareness