On the enemy team: Mundo, Olaf and Vladimir.
My team refuses to buy "grievous wounds" despite I told them so a trillion times, and we lose the game because Mundo, Olaf and Vladimir are aparently unkillable.
This is why some people keep complaining about "the tank meta". [slayer-jinx-unamused] They don't know you can counter full teams with one ítem.
eaglei314 votesGrievous wounds hurts Olaf and Vlad pretty well, but Mundo still does what he pleases and goes where he pleases after his ult buff.
VelvetCrotch2 votestry 
vs him with 
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have fun retard mundo :^)
HarrisonOwns7 votesLike darius requires any level of skill? lol okay...
Unvictus11 votesAnd Mundo does??
HarrisonOwns4 votesI didn't say he did. That's not the point.
This guy went full ragebaby over mundo, acting tough on a darius of all champions.
VelvetCrotch3 votes?? i didnt went "full rage over mundo" lulz. and the fact i just wrote "retarded champ" and took random Darius, seemed to provocate many rage kids. thats sad, cause i just wanted to give a helpful tip vs guys like mundo.
And btw if you say Darius is "braindead" as Mundo: nearly as braindead, yes. But Mundo can heal up just by clicking his ult and have one high range, spammable skillshot - wow. And Illaoi. Illaoi ist by far not the champ with the highest skillcap, i agree. But call her "braindead" is hilarious and jsut shows how many rage and salt you carry around as a "better player" cause of gold ;)
HarrisonOwns1 votesI'm not a better player.
I am just stating facts.
Darius is braindead and has a shit kit, just like Illaoi.
VelvetCrotch1 votesthere would be still this order: illa>darius>nasus...................................................mundo
VelvetCrotch1 votesand your knowledge about illa shows that you dont know her and how to play her at all. thats a fact too
Nanolathe112 votesGrievous wounds hurts Olaf and Vlad pretty well, but Mundo still does what he pleases and goes where he pleases after his ult buff.
nice word play :)
Pandemic Punch2 votesGrievous wounds hurts Olaf and Vlad pretty well, but Mundo still does what he pleases and goes where he pleases after his ult buff.
This is what I wanted to say lol
What are name1 votesWell 
doesn't work well against Vlad though because he can just choose not to AA (taunts are quite rare after all) and tanks and such don't want 
or 
Votable Jester12 votesI hate it when I have to finish my because my adc refuses to buy against 
and 
, and it happens so darn often now.
Mael Jade11 votesDont forget 
, that item is unknown below plat :P
DeusVult7 votesAs a tank main, the new change to IE that will convert a % of crits to true damage annoys me. Not because it means that they will deal more damage to me, but because it takes away how I can counter build, and it makes it so that crit carries dont have to itemize into armor pen any more.
The funniest thing was to watch as a fed ADC in the mid game with IE and double zeal auto'd a tank and was dealing just about no damage, then they go to allchat and bitch about how tanks are OP and even when they have 3 damage items they can't hurt them. Motherfucker, I'm sitting on 3 armor items for about 250+ armor, plus a defensive steroid. You haven't spent the 1300 gold on an armor pen item yet. Of course you deal no damage.
Praetor Notorias1 votesHP is the counter build to true damage.
PB4UAME3 votesHp scales at unit returns, AD is attached to a quintic scaling damage formula, literally four powers higher of a function. Not orders of magnitude, but legit powers.
HP does not counter damage in any way shape nor form. Damage hard counters defense (hp + resists) and true damage is even harder of a counter by ignoring resistances completely, turning the quadratic defensive formula into a linear one.
A linear function can never compete with a 5th power function.
Praetor Notorias1 votesDo you even know what those words mean? You sound like you just rambled out some stuff at random.
What you are saying is that reaching 0 hp doesn't kill you.
Yets42402 votesUh, let's see, he correctly points out that auto attacks scale off a fifth power function (at least with respect to attack damage, as the damage from AS, crit chance, armor pen, and crit damage/IE's true damage on crit all scale with attack damage, so if you include the interaction terms, you end up with a formula that contains an 'AD^5' term as the highest power term. This makes the damage formula a fifth power, or 'quintic' function)
He then notes that this is different from orders of magnitude, but is in fact a difference in the powers of the respective damage and resistance formulas. The formula for resistance to true damage is literally just 1.0(HP), or a 1st power function of X where X is their total hp. This is also known more simply as a linear function.
He also contrasts this linear function for resistances to true damage to the resistance formula for physical/magic damage wherein you only take 100/(100+armor)[incoming physical damage] or conversely where your pEHP can be depicted as hp(1 + armor/100). Since this is effectively 1.0 hp + 1% hp per 1 point of armor, its a quadratic formula with respect to hp.
Are there any other words or parts of his comment that don't make sense? I assure you not a single word was used incorrectly, and the strawman at the end of your comment has nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
Praetor Notorias1 votesThat's not how powers work. Also it's not how true damage works.
Praetor Notorias1 votesAnd for the counter argument f(x) = 1^5 will never outscale anything, and it is a 5th degree polynomial.
f(x) = 1 + 0x^2 + 0x^3 + 0X^4 + 0X^5
Yets42401 votesThat would actually be a 0th degree polynomial. . . you don't maths do you?
That literally simplifies to f(x) = 1
That's not even a function, that's the constant 1. It's not even a polynomial, and you wouldn't denote it by any power or function of f, but just as C where C = 1.
Praetor Notorias1 votesLook up the definition of identity. I happen to have a degree in math so I actually do know what I'm talking about.
Mael Jade1 votesWell, armor stacking tanks force you to pay a 1300 gold Tax xD but you have to remember that IE true damage is still after damage reductions, so the true damage scales of the damage dealt by the actual attack. a 1k crit->reduced to 500 damage->true damage is also based on the 500 damage
Gèkkò1 votesAnd thats true ![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
VelvetCrotch4 votestrue. but e.g. i didnt realize several years ago there are items who counter these typ of champions. now, when i got more into it. (since last year) i can see the big usefullness of these items. but many forget that even ignite counters it too.
If i face a mundo i even build Exec. on Darius. told it later my ADC to build it too (Mortal Reminder) and we stomped them.
tl,dr: i feel you. <3
French Courtesan4 votesgrievious wounds should be removed all together. If you are going to tie counterplay to an item, not everyone can build #Bruisers with last whisper, or not everyone can rush especially after mage changes that need mana, you are going to have problem. Remove grievious wounds and balance champions afterwards.
DeusVult2 votesThe champs identity are tied around being strong healers or drain tanks. Itemization and GW are there so you have access to counterplay. There are 3 items that give GW. is 800g and is there for AD champs, especially ADCs. 800g to reduce the enemies heals by 40%. exists for tanks/juggs/bruisers. Again, 1000g, you can pick it up and sit on it for the GW.
is the only completed it that doesnt build out of an item that gives GW. Which sucks for mages, especially since many of them want to go early mana regen items. 
But they still have access to it and if the enemy team consists of multiple healer champs or one of those is fed, you postpone your build to pick up the GW.
French Courtesan3 votesAnd what would be the difference, if grievious wounds were removed all together? You would have much easier time balancing champions that utilize healing and life steal, create much smaller difference between high elo and low elo. The biggest reason why darius vladimir mundo soraka etcetera are so freaking nightmarish in plat elo and below is that noone wants to build grievious wounds. You either balance these champs for high elo, make them unbearable in low elo, or you balance them around low elo and make them non existent in high elo. Why not just get rid of it completely and make countering those champions more about outplaying them rather than outbuying?
What are name1 votes Does not do much against ability based healing as the opponent can just choose not to attack you (
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And with how cheap GW is (at least for AD and tank champions) most healing needs to be balanced around the fact that it will likely be reduced by grevious wounds.... so then that leads to the issue that at that point you might as well lower the healing amount and remove grevious wounds
BlackEtherian2 votesAnd that's why I pick Katarina
GlowingIcefire1 votesAnd that's why I pick Katarina
Same. I'm a kat main and I love just trashing vlads, swains, etc. by just buying a morello after gunblade.
GlowingIcefire2 votesI mean, once, I told my adc to buy an because the enemy team had a soraka, swain, and vlad, and then they rushed it before even buying a bf sword. I'm like: [zombie-brand-facepalm]
What are name3 votesWell to be fair most of what Soraka provide in lane is healing and reducing that by 40% is quite useful even in lane but yeah reducing the heal doesn't do much good if you don't have enough damage to begin with
MorganFreemanBot2 votesGrievious isn't really needed against Olaf.
Olaf generally builds literally full tank, in which case his W sustain is.. pretty neglible, even when he gets to just sit there knocking on a squishy target for entire duration without them ranging him.
When built more bruisery, Olaf's super easy to kill unless he's insanely head.
Vlad and Mundo definitely though.
xelaker1 votesOn the enemy team: Mundo, Olaf and Vladimir.
My team refuses to buy "grievous wounds" despite I told them so a trillion times, and we lose the game because Mundo, Olaf and Vladimir are aparently unkillable.
This is why some people keep complaining about "the tank meta". [slayer-jinx-unamused] They don't know you can counter full teams with one ítem.
to be fair my last game had a mundo that required half our team to beat on him to even get him low with his ult going on
FilDaFunk1 votesBut they're not tanks.
Acheron161 votesIf grievous wounds didn't exist, those champions could be balanced better so they don't need to be fucking unstoppable when no one buys Grievous Wounds.
They are either broken or useless as long as that stat exists.
Hyquiem1 votesYou have no idea when you tell a bruiser to build randuins against a fed a Enemy adc, gg each team fight,
AR URF1 votesWhen I refer to "the tank meta" I'm referring to tanks that can pretty much 1v1 you don't have %health dmg in your kit. 
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