Thornmail can't have it both ways

HateDaddy··4 votes·537 views

It can't be a colossal fuck you to AD auto attackers and be an item punishes them for focusing you by killing themselves WHILE also applying grevious wounds. It has to be one of the other and I'd argue the former was extremely unhealthy any time it was decent.

I don't like grevious wounds on an armor item anyway because armor stacking already greatly reduces lifesteals effectiveness. Why does it have to reduce healing from all sources? That seems like it has to be in such a state that it's either broken when good or trash when not even slightly good. That was the same problem with old thornmail. What it's designed to do simply isn't healthy. Healing isn't just essential to ADCs, it's pretty essential to several champions in various classes and many of them do weave auto attacks in between their spells.

Lastly, lifesteal wasn't a problem. Draven, Fiora and warlords was a problem. Why don't we just nerf warlords, Draven and Fiora (she did get nerfed) instead of introducing a pretty shitty concept that was never explored in the previous 7 years of league despite this being a suggestion because everyone who understood it's ramifications realized it was a shitty idea.

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agbudar6 votes

item 3035 this actually exists as well yknow. a counter to half of what tanks do which is soaking damage. item 3036 omg it actually works against health stacking too? item 3033 o wow look at that i cant sustain anymore. another half of my kit just got negated.

Shuyin1783 votes

It's 2017, having it both ways is common practice.

HateDaddy2 votes

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It's 2017, having it both ways is common practice.

how so?

NotSoEvilDead3 votes

The new version of thornmail is a straight nerf no matter how you look at it, regardless of the addition of grievous wounds. If you're an ADC you should be thrilled that it reflects like 25% of the old damage value while only cutting your healing down 40%. It's trivial to outheal the damage it does now.

HateDaddy2 votes

welp someone got their feelings hurt and downvoted my thread, time to abandon ship

Ralanr1 votes

Given the AS slow, it's not much of a fuck you to auto attackers.

HateDaddy2 votes

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Given the AS slow, it's not much of a fuck you to auto attackers.

It's undertuned right now I'm sure but I'm not concerned about what happens when it's undertuned.

The Leo Cat1 votes

To be fair... ADC's had it easy with life steal for a very long time. This simply means that any sort of marksman who's actually ability reliant like Ezreal will have a better time dealing with them.

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

The reflect damage isn't really that high unless maybe you stack armor. This doesn't really affect Energizer builds very much, even with the Warlord's proc. It hurts champions' kits that rely on drain tanking auto-attackers like Aatrox and Xin more than it affects ADCs.

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