Support gold generation getting hit is one thing

D357R0Y3R·11/27/2019, 11:30:00 PM·32 votes·9,330 views

but why did you make it so they take a longer time to get free wards

this doesn't make sense at fucking all Riot, have you forgotten the primary role of a support? Did you forget about vision and how you pigeon holed the team to rely on supports for wards since you removed the 75 gold wards and made it so they can only put one fucking control ward on the map?

"but you have trinkets!!!" wow, it's almost as if Riot also didn't nerf their duration from 180 sec to 120 sec a long time ago

it's also as if they didn't remove the warding jungle item.

ok, so now only supports can have access to 3 wards, but not until a long time?

what a fun game

45 Comments

Saezio11/28/2019, 12:00:44 AM21 votes

Riot's unwillingness to balance differently for pro and soloq has historically been the root of tons of these issues.

If they want pro games to be fiestas just remove some items from the shop for them. And let casual average supports have some agency

Boltonator11/27/2019, 11:33:56 PM17 votes

I’m more pissed that we lose our tribute effect after we finish the item but still keep the penalty. Late game is going to be a nightmare for supports.

Linna Excel11/28/2019, 2:31:10 AM9 votes

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but why did you make it so they take a longer time to get free wards

So pro mids have an easier time ganking the bot lane that is 2 levels below them.

TobiaskJ11/28/2019, 12:43:17 AM8 votes

In other words, in late game, no matter how active you are as support, you get the same amount of gold as an AFK support sitting in base. (past the 15 min mark) wtf is this?

Okraki11/28/2019, 5:13:34 AM4 votes

I am a support main, and i got to say, i get wards about the same time i would with the old items (10min mark at rough) you just got to play a bit more aggressive to push for that gold, can be troublesome depending on the champ, and with the mana regen gone, it can be as well hard, for casters. Though play it right and you get it just about the same time, so dont really see that as a issue at all. Before you downvote this i don't like the new items at all, i prefer the old ones compared to these, for various reasons, mostly the stats, and the late game.

Freaktory11/28/2019, 10:31:31 AM3 votes

Its simple, I have just started ignoring the support item and farming minions alongside my adc. There is no Rule that says I will be banned or punished for taking minions which riot themselves have stated "No one player OWNS neutral or enemy minions" And the whole "but Adc have always gotten to take all cs" THAT is a COURTESY, a quiet agreement that ceased when the adcs started seeing support players as Little more than shit on the bottom of thier shoe, something to be degraded and discarded.

Its amazing how everyone states how reliant the team is on support, yet support players are always the ones thrown under the bus and threatened with "Report for inting" because they dont have as many kills as everyone else. They forget that the support role IS NOT A KILL FOCUSED ROLE. But will still flame and blame the support for going 0/2/15 and spam with "stfu, u got no kills"

So yeah, that courtesy went out the window, and now that they gutted the support items, I will just start taking from the minion waves instead of the support items. Strangely enough, you can usually tell what type of adc you have based on the reaction you get from taxing waves.

If your adc is focued more on winning and mature, they will generally adapt and focus on making the best of the situation. And many times If I see this, I will begin to back off the minions and let them take the lions share. OR You get the spam pinging, cursing little toddler who sees 1 less minion as "gg my trolling support" and then they proceed to throw a tantrum, cuss and flame, beg for reports, and go on about how they are going to "intentionally feed, its all supports fault" These players I have no interest in extending any courtesy to. And usually they are the type who are not interested in winning, but see the bot lane as well as the support player as little more than their personal property.

So yeah, I have, am, and will continue to take farm directly from the minion waves. I will forego the support item and get my gold directly from minions instead as I refuse to build based off the the meager "table scraps" that riot expects me to work with. And maybe if the support problem becomes a problem for ADC as well, it will them out of the idea that just because its not effecting them, doesnt mean it wont effect them. (Kinda like the people who respond to issues or grievances with "well I never see it in any of my games, so you must just be making it up" response.)

RyzeRework11/28/2019, 7:56:00 PM1 votes

Wait before you had to get 500g to get wards from your quest.... its litteraly the same...

Eppidemic11/28/2019, 8:04:09 PM1 votes

We need gp10 in rune stats. We used to be able to get gp10 quints on rune pages but the old runes have moved to rune stats but that option is no longer available. Let's nag riot until they reinstate it!

lolipopevelynn11/29/2019, 11:13:59 PM1 votes

Supports have been broken for a long time now, dont bitch that they are now finally getting nerfs

Fizzletop11/28/2019, 3:19:47 AM1 votes

At least this vision nerf is balanced across the map and teams. Unlike nerfing jungle exp and duo exp while buffing solo exp.

Got to say, I really love trying to power farm up to the solo lane level when they hit 6 and my camps are spawn in 2 levels higher than me because of the difference. Yes this is a real thing, it happens easily on Eve when her second buffs spawn...

MEN ARE BETTER11/28/2019, 2:35:46 PM1 votes

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DODGEORLOSE11/28/2019, 7:03:00 PM1 votes

But...it's quicker to get wards if you know what you're doing...

ITZ ICY11/28/2019, 7:34:22 PM1 votes

Wait, what? It's still 500g to get free wards, like in season 9.

Jennifer1711/28/2019, 7:53:11 PM1 votes

i dont get this change at all... if the entire map is dark, people tend to play more passive. this is the exact opposite of what riot and china want. they want the game to be over after 5minutes because playing in an internet coffee shop is expensive.