Can we nerf zyra/malz/ziggs out of bot lane already?

RexSaur·Jan 17, 2017·2 votes·830 views

Like seriously, mages are already very good mid lane, they dont need to dominate bot aswell.

12 Comments

Mira Arya EntheJan 17, 20172 votes

Nah, mages need to be strong in every lane. :^)

tseiheiJan 17, 20172 votes

"mages need to be nerfed out of botlane because it goes against the meta thats been in league for 6+ seasons now" Is basically what you are saying

You offer no real evidence that they are unhealthy for the game state or that they would be overly oppressive. Personally I don't find zyra or ziggs to be in need to any changes to push them out of botlane.

Mira Arya EntheJan 17, 20171 votes

Let's see. Mages are good mid, top, support and now 'ADC'. I think that is a sign of something. Jungle clear is the only thing keeping them from dominating jungle.

tseiheiJan 17, 20171 votes

mid and top are given being that mages are solo laners. And most mages don't even go top because the extended lane length is just too unsafe for them. support has always had mages (annie, zyra, and velkoz have been there for a very long time).

Mages have the clear for jungle with the aoe they have, its more of that they can't tank the jungle, and they end up having to back before they even gank making them ineffective at best versus other jungles like vi/lee. (fiddlesticks is the exception being he has built in sustain to specifically allow him to jungle.)

So the only thing new brought to the table is the "bot" position, which really only really works for select mages like ziggs because they are seige mages. Meaning they bring part of the thing adc was meant to the rift.

It also makes sense being that Physical damage is often seen in mid/top/jg in every game. Of course people are going to take something with more magic damage when you have a mid yasou, a lee jungle, and something like jayce/riven top. With lethality the way it is too...

Billy VoHagenJan 17, 20171 votes

It's not a matter of nerfing mages, they need to buff ADC's.

Mira Arya EntheJan 17, 20172 votes

And when ADCs are too strong, we can buff tanks, when tanks are too strong we can buff mages, when mages are too strong, we can buff assassins, see this is how we end up with League of Inflation.

RexSaurJan 17, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K3s4eL4r,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-17T03:31:00.509+0000)

It's not a matter of nerfing mages, they need to buff ADC's.

Both needs to be happen tbh, buff the weaker adcs like jinx and ashe and nerf the oppressive bot mages like those 3 + brand.

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

Nope. Anything that shits on Cait and Twitch is good for the game at this point.

KiyoYoshimaruJan 17, 20171 votes

take a mage bot lane instead of an adc. the meta changed a while ago, change with it.

RexSaurJan 17, 20171 votes

{quoted}

take a mage bot lane instead of an adc. the meta changed a while ago, change with it.

What if i like playing adcs instead?

A little PeepoJan 17, 20171 votes

{quoted}

What if i like playing adcs instead?

Then just tell your support to help you wave clear without taking cs, Morgana can do that with her E, zyra with Q, karma with Q. Tbh makes bit lane aren't oppressive by any means and riot clearly stated that they will not be needing ziggs or malz out of bot lane unless they are deemed oppressive which hasn't happened yet.

RexSaurJan 17, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Then just tell your support to help you wave clear without taking cs, Morgana can do that with her E, zyra with Q, karma with Q. Tbh makes bit lane aren't oppressive by any means and riot clearly stated that they will not be needing ziggs or malz out of bot lane unless they are deemed oppressive which hasn't happened yet.

Ziggs has the highest winrate out of "adcs" atm at 55%.

Im pretty sure thats oppressive.