Why does shaco's jitb not work with any items?

The Bearded Bard·Oct 2, 2015·1 votes·381 views

Doesn't work with spellthief's, luden's, liandry's, or spellvamp yet Zyra plants and heimer turrets do. Why?

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The Bearded BardOct 2, 20152 votes

Honestly I kind of regret asking. While I'd love to see Shaco buffs, I wouldn't be too happy if he got popular, not because I'm a hipster, but because I know how fucking annoying Shaco is to play against.

ValrunOct 2, 20151 votes

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Honestly I kind of regret asking. While I'd love to see Shaco buffs, I wouldn't be too happy if he got popular, not because I'm a hipster, but because I know how fucking annoying Shaco is to play against.

I want Shaco buffs because I am a Shaco main. That is all.

LaughingMan11Oct 2, 20151 votes

I just want shaco to be buffed enough to be more viable beyond early game. As it is, shaco is really only as good as the person playing him. Sure you can say that for any champ, but shaco doesnt have an item threshhold to where he suddenly becomes god. The play has to be able to play shaco really well all game, or shaco becomes useless.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20151 votes

I disagree. Shaco's late game is incredibly strong, way stronger than people give him credit for. AD jungle shaco has really high burst and a stealth jump to get right through the enemy team to the squishies. His split push potential is also fantastic.

Now what I play is AP top lane shaco. AP Shaco has three 1:1 ap ratios (the third is the boxes, 20% per attack for 5 attacks). Late game is where he thrives in his ability to completely take over the map. Boxes are on a 10 second cd and last for 60 seconds, they fear for 1.5 seconds. Set those shits up wherever and fight there. AP Shaco's power comes from picking exactly where you want to fight. Set up your boxes, throw shivs until they engage on you and get ripped apart by boxes. AP Shaco also is way more slippery since he's got the ult on a 50 second cd, boxes on 10 seconds, Q on 6.6 seconds. Combine that with the fact that he can grab zhonyas for even more stall and he's damn near unkillable. Basically, your late game power comes from distracting the enemy team, wasting enemy summoners and ults, flank protection, objective control, setting up traps for unsuspecting junglers, assassinating squishies, and splitting the enemy team in two in teamfights.

The reason I think people think his late game is bad is because late game is when the pink wards and upgraded red trinkets come out. This does make being shaco incredibly difficult, but he's not entirely useless and I think his late game is still really good if you know what you're doing and your team helps you clear out the pinks.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20151 votes

That's what I'm saying, but for the reason I don't want him to have buffs. As it is now, I play him fine, win way more than I lose, and I enjoy the lack of mirror matches or bans/picks in ranked. If he gets buffed, I'll have to worry about people picking him before I do, banning him, and overall learning to play against him.

LaughingMan11Oct 2, 20151 votes

I think the only thing they do proc right now is item 3116 and that was only because of the change they did to it. Rito's argument is "it would make his boxes to strong."

MarthianOct 2, 20153 votes

Except it's a good argument, he rides a thin line between underwhelming and overpowered. He really needs a rework.

LaughingMan11Oct 2, 20151 votes

Really the only thing i would do for shaco as far as items go, is if every other minion related spell gets to proc Liandry's, so should shaco boxes.

Sightless66Oct 2, 20151 votes

is if every other minion related spell gets to proc Liandry's, so should shaco boxes.

Pets are kind of inconsistent. Tibbers doesn't proc spell effects with his damaging aura or his autos, and neither do Yorick's ghouls, but Zyra's plants and Heimerdinger's both apply spell effects with their attacks. So, that doesn't really give us any clear direction.

LaughingMan11Oct 2, 20151 votes

I guess that must have been a change, because Tibbers used to at least proc Rylais on AA's but i havent built either item on Yoric, so thanks for that information.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20153 votes

If you think shaco's overpowered you're not buying enough pinks or upgrading your red trinket.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20151 votes

Would it really be too strong if he got an extra 15 gold from someone running into his boxes?