fighters getting another 20% cdr rush item, tanks dont have one

Moody P·Jan 31, 2019·5 votes·1,262 views

tank rush items have no CDR except for stuff that is heavily situational (frozen heart and IBG) and generally not what you want first, sometimes not even second. A straight counter build item like Adaptive is the only item that comes to mind on CDR a tank would buy quickly.

for some reason riot is really insisting on keeping this reworked ER and transplanting it into shojin, giving fighters a third 20% CDR first/second rush item for the ones who find it appealing

what's going on here?

22 Comments

SaezioJan 31, 20193 votes

Riot doesn't like tanks atm. They haven't liked em for a while. They said explicitly that they want to have a flashy meta at some point (i think it was a couple months before worlds or maybe at the regional finals)

That said, I do subscribe to the idea of MOVING THE CDR AROUND THE TANK ITEMS What I mean is, there are quite a few items with 10% cdr and none with 20% or 0%. Maybe make visage 20% and reduce the MR and for adaptive increase the MR and remove the CDR or maybe even remove CDR from visage AND adaptive and give 20% to abyssal.

"But aren't we at point 0 again?"

No because you rush what you situationally need. Either the 20% CDR along with mr hp and mana (obv reduced stats if its 20% or increase cost) Or if one needs to stack MR as fast as they can and don't really crave CDR you buy the item with 0% cdr but with more resistances/hp At the moment, tank build paths are gawdawful compared to apc/bruiser/assassin maybe even ADCs.

compare the components of tank recipes to classes who had their itemization recently changed. item 3802 item 3134 item 3044 item 3086 for example are really nice even without upgrading and give either laning power or 1,5 item powerspikes

Oh I didn't even mention true damage creep. Oh, well...

Moody PJan 31, 20191 votes

just throw 10% on sunfire and I would be content

SaezioJan 31, 20191 votes

Either that or make it's passive stronger vs champs. Fights last so little time that it barely does any dmg with it's nano-radius. Making the passive adaptive dmg would be nice for AD champs that wanna buy it but don't have any mpen. But do we want talons running around with passive aoe physical burns? xD

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20191 votes

Zeal is pretty bad actually. It is very weak and not gold efficient at all. My main problem with Riots balance currently is that tank items are so gold inefficient once completed. Also tanks really have pretty awful keystone rune choices and honestly the second tier on the resolve tree is also horrendous.

SaezioJan 31, 20191 votes

How dare you trashtalk the mighty demolish line that was KIND ENOUGH to grace us with the presence of the delight that is INT SION? I thought item 3095 + Zeal felt good no?

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20191 votes

Not really. Full zeal item plus Stormrazor is decent, but just zeal or zeal plus full item feels bad. Also item 3802 and item 3134 are usually rushed while item 3044 is only sometimes rushed and item 3086 is never rushed. It is hard to compare when the items are built at different times.

SaezioJan 31, 20192 votes

I am talking about the components being better than the tank components. When you are building tank, you often need to be building 2 items at the same time, one for your own needs (like catalyst or something) and one to counter the opponent, so a lot of the time your inventory can look like this item 3010 item 2033 item 3047 item 3024 which feels like shit honestly, if the components were a bit more expensive and helped you lane even a bit maybe you wouldn't have to rush boots, so it's all these little things that make me think tanks have the worst components compared to the rest of the board

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20191 votes

I think that is actually the opposite. I think tank components are better than the completed item while everyone else's completed items are better than their components. That is why you see tanks sit on components and not really anyone else.

AlzonJan 31, 20191 votes

item 3751 item 1054 item 3076 item 3047 item 3211 item 2031 tank full build xD

Warlord RhinarkJan 31, 20192 votes

Wasn't item 3025 rushed by almost every Tank along with item 3068 at some point?

RalanrJan 31, 20191 votes

Sunfire doesn’t grant CDR.

Now, IBG does, but it’s not really optimal to rush a no health resistance item in lane, especially if your opponent has conquerer (which most people will take when fighting a tank).

Warlord RhinarkJan 31, 20191 votes

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Sunfire doesn’t grant CDR.

I wasn't implying that, I think.

I just said it was built shortly after Iceborn.

Now, IBG does, but it’s not really optimal to rush a no health resistance item in lane, especially if your opponent has conquerer (which most people will take when fighting a tank).

We can't have an item that both gives the stats you need in lane as well as a bunch of CDR on top of it.

RalanrJan 31, 20191 votes

Bruisers get triforce or BC, gives all the stats they need.

Warlord RhinarkJan 31, 20191 votes

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Bruisers get triforce or BC, gives all the stats they need.

Hmmm good point.

Well, guess we better add an item that gives both Health, Armor, Magic Resistance, and 20% CDR to top it.

RalanrJan 31, 20191 votes

I’d settle for one resistance and 10% CDR. Any item with two resistances shouldn’t provide health anyway.

SaezioJan 31, 20191 votes

Maybe tanks need an adaptive resistance stat for runes for 1st row Turns to MR or armor depending on what damage one has taken the most in the last 10 mins, starts as the counter to your laner.