Vayne can tumble out of Jarvan's ultimate and then condemn him back into it

FalconPawwwwnch·Jun 15, 2015·70 votes·4,794 views

Why is this still a thing lol

70 Comments

ShımaJun 15, 201513 votes

It's the one "Terrain" her gapcloser can go through. Let her keep it.

Davy CrockettJun 16, 20157 votes

Better nerf Ekko

OrangesSCJun 16, 20153 votes

She can also go through Anivia wall

Noam BraumskyJun 16, 20151 votes

She can also stun anyone going through one of Bard 's tunnels, which can lead to some weird bugs.

Hard PenetratorJun 16, 201510 votes

from RiotMeddler via /r/leagueoflegends/

Jarvan will get stunned against his own wall by Poppy, Vayne and Gnar now, rather than knocked through. I'd expect that to make those match ups noticeably tougher for him, if that hits him too hard we'll look at compensating him in some form. At some point we'll also get Tumble fixed so Vayne can't get out of his ult using it which should even things out a bit too.

Patch Notes 4.16

BeatzBoyFTWJun 17, 20151 votes

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from RiotMeddler via /r/leagueoflegends/

Jarvan will get stunned against his own wall by Poppy, Vayne and Gnar now, rather than knocked through. I'd expect that to make those match ups noticeably tougher for him, if that hits him too hard we'll look at compensating him in some form. At some point we'll also get Tumble fixed so Vayne can't get out of his ult using it which should even things out a bit too.

Patch Notes 4.16

And this was like what? 17 patches ago? Gotta admit Riot has forgotten about it already.

Hard PenetratorJun 17, 20151 votes

Maybe enough time passed for us to ask for this fix. They iron out a tons of things lately and Jarvan fell out of top 10 meta champs for a while so there is no reason not to give him some love.

EnosetcJun 16, 20158 votes

because riot still thinks it's okay to code things as "minions packed tightly together"

XinotineJun 17, 20151 votes

If so does item 3046 nullify J4's ultimate O-o

IcyPepperJun 16, 20157 votes

Kinda bs if you ask me.

Either she can tumble out of it, or she can condemn him into it. Not both.

ElJanitorFrankJun 16, 20151 votes

She can totally do both. I think you're greatly overestimating J4's ultimate's size.

IcyPepperJun 16, 20156 votes

Oops, should have clarified.

I'm not saying she couldn't, I'm saying she shouldn't. As in it can happen, but doesn't seem all that fair.

AnidanJun 16, 20151 votes

That's what you get when you classify what is ostensibly a buttload of minions to be a wall. She can tumble over minions, and then crash him into his "wall." Old-school coding right there.

AFK PushJun 16, 20152 votes

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Kinda bs if you ask me.

Either she can tumble out of it, or she can condemn him into it. Not both.

she shouldn't be able to tumble out, let her be stuck in it still so even if j4 dies his teammates can finish her.

HateDaddyJun 16, 20156 votes

Vayne can have a Lee Sin ult at level 1

definitely balanced

EndlessSorcererJun 16, 201544 votes

Karthus can have Fiddlestick's ultimate at level 1 without requiring a channel.
Aatrox can have Malphite ultimate at level 1 without a mana cost.

Comparing champions doesn't work like that.

YOU BEEN WARNEDJun 16, 20153 votes

Lee sin ult doesn't stun after knockback :^)

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

But it deals damage to everybody hit :^)

Hello I am BirdJun 16, 20151 votes

Actually, it does if you hit them into a wall >.>

RysophageJun 16, 20151 votes

no...they are midair for the entire duration...its not a stun they are just midair and not traveling. if it was a stun you'd be able to QSS lee sin's ult just because you were against a wall.

Hello I am BirdJun 16, 20151 votes

Lol my bad on two parts

1: I misunderstood the question, and thought he meant Vayne couldn't stun after knockback 2: I was thinking about ^^^ and so I was saying how Vayne does when she hits someone into a wall

Bears Dont CareJun 16, 20152 votes

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Lee sin ult doesn't stun after knockback :^)

Actually its considered a stun which is why you cannot flash/gap close during the knockback portion.

OrbvJun 16, 20152 votes

What? lol. You can flash immediately when you stop being pushed back. And if it was considered a stun or suspension in any way, it would be removable by Quicksilver Sash, it isn't.

Stiv1234Jun 16, 20151 votes

What he said is totally right. Airborne effects (like Lees Knockback) are made up of two parts: a "move block", which moves you and prevents normal movement, and a stun, which is there to prevent flash and other dashes. However, the stun can be actually cleansed, and since old move blocks are overwritten by more recent ones, you can indeed flash or dash out of it after using for example QSS.

Eevee In A JarJun 16, 20152 votes

Knockbacks/knockups are considered movement displacement. They are hard forms of CC, just like a stun, but isn't the same thing. Movement displacement cannot be interrupted with QSS while a stun can.

kJsJun 16, 20152 votes

I think Thresh hooks can be QSSed.

9baksQuJhbJun 17, 20152 votes

It's considered a stun. Google told me so.

FrikgeekJun 17, 20151 votes

Thresh hooks are weird like that. They're forced movement(like fears and charms), not displacements.

Bears Dont CareJun 17, 20151 votes

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Knockbacks/knockups are considered movement displacement. They are hard forms of CC, just like a stun, but isn't the same thing. Movement displacement cannot be interrupted with QSS while a stun can.

Alistar's knockback can be interrupted by flash and other forms of movement displacement. Same for Thresh Hook which is both a stun and displacement. Not all knockbacks follow the same rule.

Eevee In A JarJun 24, 20151 votes

Alistar has a knock up, and is still a movement displacement. You can flash but you will still be knocked up; once you are knocked up you will be knocked up. Thresh's hook counts as a stun. You can say it is a move displacement all you want but it counts as a stun which is why it can be QSS'd.

VentiraJun 16, 20153 votes

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Vayne can render any and all tank items useless at level 2.

definitely balanced

FTFY

IcyPepperJun 16, 20153 votes

item 3075

PikmintsJun 17, 20151 votes

item 3110 item 3143

IcyPepperJun 17, 20151 votes

To be fair, looking at Vayne's statistics most of her damage is still physical, especially early/mid game before she becomes a monster, so tank items aren't terrible against her.

Just got to build the right ones!

FrikgeekJun 17, 20151 votes

Get everything that builds out of Warden's mail. Then get oracle's and righteous glory so you can actually chase her. ez pz

All SkillzzJun 16, 20155 votes

i tried that once, the j4 went full dps and killed me instantly. JarvanIV item 3074 item 3035 item 3071 item 3707 item 3047 item 3078

luna is my mommyJun 16, 20151 votes

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i tried that once, the j4 went full dps and killed me instantly.

then you shoudve melted him as soon as he condemned

DrCyanideJun 16, 201523 votes

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then you shoudve melted him as soon as he condemned

That'll be a long wait.

JarvanIV is trying to learn Condemn. However, can't learn more than four moves. Forget a move in order to learn Condem?

TaarkiJun 17, 20151 votes

Yes

Ariel the CruelJun 17, 20151 votes

Cataclysm has been replaced with Condem.

TaarkiJun 17, 20151 votes

JarvanIV Uses Condemn against Vayne . It's a Critical Strike! It's Super Effective. Gained 1,287 Exp. Grew to level 18! +90 Health, .7 HP/5, 40 Mana, .45 Mana/5, 3.4 AD, 2.5% AS, 3.6 Armor, and 1.25 MR!

NemeBroJun 15, 20154 votes

That's hilarious.

RysophageJun 16, 20153 votes

stop boxing with shadows.

Very RatchetJun 16, 20152 votes

This is why you don't use Cataclysm on Mega Gnar.

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20152 votes

Because we need to release more sand-themed skins.

Azir SHURIMA

manbearswineJun 17, 20152 votes

For the same reason jarvan can e-q when snared.

And for the same reason charm breaks dashes(also some unstoppable ones),but taunt does not.

The EcdysiastJun 17, 20151 votes

Because it's fair... He took the risk in GIVING her terrain to ram him into. A good Jarvan will drop the wall when he sees her disappear, right?

NMLd7sCNweJun 17, 20151 votes

She needs more though, Like qtpies vayne Q through dragon pit wall Kappa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShvkfXs8v8E

BeatzBoyFTWJun 17, 20151 votes

The one thing I love is how Riot still keeps quiet for this thread here & not giving a fk about it.

Reminder: Vayne is Phreak's best ADC.

SgtCrispyJun 17, 20151 votes

I'm fine with Vayne being able to condemn J4 into his ulti, that makes sense. Being able to tumble out of it is completely ridiculous and should've been fixed ages ago though.