Need help with this kind of phenomenon at top lane

SneaselSawashiro·Apr 10, 2017·2 votes·581 views

Ever had this moment where you lose top lane, and then suddenly, you're forced into THIS exact situation?

A. Enemy top laner bum rushes down your lane for free while his team can possibly kill yours.

B. You try to splitpush top to reclaim it, only for enemy top laner to always dog-guard/hound his tower to always stop you each time.

Either way, if you give up on either one, the only choice is for the enemy laner to take your ENTIRE lane for free. This happens very often with lane-bully matchups.

Is there something you can do to counter this kind of habit the enemy always has, or no, are you supposed to lose the game and have the enemy team tell you to uninstall and commit suicide? (and yes, you can call me very retarded and someone who must die because he's still bronze by the time of typing this)

10 Comments

ScissorsNstuffApr 10, 20171 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEX7JxeKCxg&t=554s

simple for the most part.

you need to free up your time

SneaselSawashiroApr 10, 20171 votes

Jesus christ; I quote that damn guy all the time lol

But meh, I'm a forgetful trash bronzie who can't remember good advice despite having fun abusing certain item builds (like Fervor + item 3153 on MonkeyKing that nets me a crapton of damage that makes me yawn nowadays)

ALL HAIL DONG HUAP

ScissorsNstuffApr 10, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Jesus christ; I quote that damn guy all the time lol

But meh, I'm a forgetful trash bronzie who can't remember good advice despite having fun abusing certain item builds (like Fervor + on that nets me a crapton of damage that makes me yawn nowadays)

ALL HAIL DONG HUAP

use the pushing technique to buy time for yourself and attend more fights. This way you can outmaneuver the enemy laner or even lure him top to defend his tower so your team can dive him and use the shared gold to pull ahead as a team.

CochoApr 10, 20171 votes

Really my best advice would be to look for a 5v4 teamfight.

I see that you play MonkeyKing , if you see your team grouped mid, while the enemy top laner isn't directly on your tower, you could try to flash engage on the enemy team with a number advantage. You'd have to be sure that the enemy top laner can't just walk over there before the fight will be over, and that if he TPs, then the channel wouldn't matter because it'd take too long.

You would need to get a good ult off on a priority target, where you team can follow up quickly and wipe them before the enemy top laner can make a difference. If you see that somewhere put a ward behind where the enemy is grouped, you could try to tp flank them. Be sure to ping and let your team know you want to fight.

If you guys lose a 5v4, chances are you were going to lose anyways lol. You run the risk of failing to kill someone fast enough and the enemy top laner TPing in.

If the fight doesn't go too well, then the enemy top laner will continue splitting.

If the fight does go well, then you could back if the other guy is still splitting, all back and get baron, get towers, or just rush baron.

Either way, atleast trying this will teach you how to do it better in the future. Ignore the flame that will come if it does wrong though XD lol

SneaselSawashiroApr 10, 20171 votes

Welp. Sadly, MonkeyKing isn't as fun for me anymore as Irelia is for gbay99. I've played that monkey non-stop because he's my best comfort pick, and I have no other mains that can actually cover his bad matchups ( Nasus and Renekton just trigger cancer in me like Samus towards Leffen). Nowadays the only fun thing is his damage and the amount of damage abuse he gets from item 3153 + Fervor of Battle due to his E steroid and his on-hit Q (akin to Annie just blowing people up).

Thanks to Japanese/Asian swordsmen vibes, I'm getting too much of a kick to try to improve on my Yasuo and MasterYi nowadays. Sadly, to quote Naece, I am indeed a Trashuo cause I miss his Q to the point of dying when I shouldn't have (if ONLY I landed that Q).....

Plus, MonkeyKing 's kit as I've seen and discussed with a friend of mine is just very outdated and he's just not very encouraging to build tank with. Plus, even if I go from top lane to jungle, trying to jungle with him as well as with other champs is a god damn pain nowadays. To quote scarra, "the jungle just beats you up".

SneaselSawashiroApr 17, 20171 votes

Update:

In a way, it does make sense with MonkeyKing since nowadays I understand how to make use of his power curve from early-to-mid game with enough items. Yasuo on the other hand has a shitty mid game so it's harder with him as he's arguably even more item dependent than the former champion.

I just recently fought a Kayle toe to toe as Yasuo but alas, her team was doing quite well without her around and I myself despite having a solid rune page setup was still having some trouble trying to help my team despite my 1 v 1 potential.

BananaSlayerAMOApr 10, 20171 votes

First question: when the enemy laner pushes, can you get a gank on him/her? If they're too strong by that point, or it's these guys Tryndamere Darius , then secondly, can you coordinate small roams with your team and get kills/objectives (while making sure you keep tabs on the enemy laner)?

Not possible? Then you just have to hold your lane (i.e. as soon as you see them push, come back to your tower, and do not push until you know that no one's nearby) until laning phase is over. If you do this, your enemy laner will probably go to roam, and you need to let your team know whenever they do this.

SneaselSawashiroApr 17, 20171 votes

This is referring to the point after laning phase, right?

BananaSlayerAMOApr 18, 20171 votes

I'm mostly talking about mid-game, in the transitional phase between laning and roaming (because I assumed that's when people do the solo splitpush).

SneaselSawashiroApr 18, 20171 votes

Yeah that's what I meant derp. But yeah I suck at trying to know when to make minion waves big enough for a timely map pressure rotation and the like. :P

Also, I've pretty much given up on ranked as of typing this lol; forever a bronze 3 that needs to grind normals in order to pick up these kinds of tricks over time (or without any time at all thanks to life)