There was a time where which adc you picked mattered.

greekvandaL··5 votes·517 views

Hypercarries: Tristana Varus Twitch Jinx KogMaw Lane dominators:Draven Ashe Lucian Ezreal Corki SUbhuman cancer that everyone that plays her should be ID banned: Vayne

Now it doesnt matter you just pick the most braindead one and win regardless of classification they are strong at everysingle minute in the game. And if you tell me they suck early you havent seen me play Tristana with pta oneshotting with a rotation the enemy adc lvl 5.

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PopcornBunni4 votes

item 3031 + item 3087 are the primary offenders.

back in the ""tank"" update, adc itemization got seriously buffed. Stronger stats and/or made cheaper. Infinishiv is the strongest example, but the whole of their items were made easier to get earlier in the game. Then preseason came along and removed armor quints, armor reds, siegemaster, legendary guardian, fearless, and tough skin that protected from their damage source.

Fearless is particularly relevent, stopping a large amount of the burst damage from infinishiv, which was already horribly underpriced for its power advantage.

A few things ought be done to resolve these issues, and it starts with critical strike. The stat is both much too cheap and has far too much random success cases at early amounts.

item 1051 sets the standard at 40 gold per % crit chance, and it really goes to show how rediculous that is for how much it impacts the power curve of adcs.

As a raw stat, it could stand to be raised in price by another 50%, so item 1051 becomes 600g and item 3086 becomes 1600g from 1200.

item 1018 would be 1200g under this costing, so maybe have it be the "B.F. Swrod" of the stat, costing 1000 or 1050g and making up the difference in its final item cost.

item 3031 goes to 3800g from 3400 (Combine cost 425 -> 625 or 575g)

item 3508 goes to 3800 from 3400 (combine cost 200 -> 400 or 350g)

The second issue is the random nature of the stat. The best solution I can think of is to make each % crit chance cause your attacks to build up crit on a target. If an attack will build the crit over 100%, it results in a critical strike, and any remainder overflows.

So say you have item 3031 item 3086 granting 40% crit chance. The first two attacks build up 40% each, and the third attack on the target will critically strike, causing the remainder of 20% to spill over. The next attack adds up to 60%, and the one after will be another critical strike at 100%. In this way, adcs building crit will still deal their sustained damage and result in overall the same number of crits in an extended fight, but can't get random crits winning single trades through no skill of the player.

item 3087 would need a rework of course, but it could be as simple as adding a damage multiplier for its arc by a flat amount for your crit chance.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Nice to see you remember that massive mistake too, though I'd argue a price hike isn't going to be a good enough fix, just delaying the issue. Critical chance is fairly easy to reach 100 percent since then, and with several other bonuses tacked on adding hidden power, and allowing a free item slot.

item 3812 Spell-vamp for any AD caster, combined with damage delay, allowing them to sustain through burst. item 3046 Damage reduction and kiting amplification to win any duel. item 3026 You thought it was difficult killing them before? item 3508 What's mana costs or cooldowns? At max critical chance this gives 30 percent cooldown reduction, making this the single highest cdr item in the game, though conditionally but not difficult. item 3085 Lifesteal is increased by three things; attack damage, attack speed, and critical hits. This alone has two such boosts, and triples lifesteal's effectiveness in teamfights while critically hitting all three too. item 3094 Good luck trying to poke them without being chunked first. item 3087 Need waveclear and poke, this has been the turn-to solution for years. item 3153 It's lifesteal applies to it's own bonus health damage too, as if it didn't offer enough.

ReshiKillim2 votes

There was also plenty of times where whichever ADC you picked didn't matter, because no matter which one you picked you wouldn't make a difference.

Potchikir2 votes

their all just damage sticks this is coming from an adc main

Sasogwa3 votes

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There was also plenty of times where whichever ADC you picked didn't matter, because no matter which one you picked you wouldn't make a difference.

Damn, you're gonna tell me the only reason people played ADC at some point is because they liked the champions, but other picks like bruisers bot, mages bot, tanks bot, assassins bot were better?

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RookPusher2 votes

Yeah? Bot is determined by the ADCs alone? Play a lot of top, do ya?

greekvandaL1 votes

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Yeah? Bot is determined by the ADCs alone? Play a lot of top, do ya?

no actually i only play adc and ww for over a month now. if i get autofilled top i dodge even tho i was a topmain for 5 years.

And yeh supps matter a hell of a lot aswell with how disgusting they made em

RookPusher1 votes

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no actually i only play adc and ww for over a month now. if i get autofilled top i dodge even tho i was a topmain for 5 years.

And yeh supps matter a hell of a lot aswell with how disgusting they made em

Your OP didn't mention supports at all, now they're disgusting?

greekvandaL1 votes

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Your OP didn't mention supports at all, now they're disgusting?

Braum Lulu Janna Soraka yeap

Guojonjaich1 votes

Do you phrase everything as a question? Bot lane is like 80% supports, but vayne is cancer.

RookPusher2 votes

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Do you phrase everything as a question? Bot lane is like 80% supports, but vayne is cancer.

No

Çhåryzård2 votes

Ashe Jhin Ezreal Caitlyn are garbage now. You can get away with Ezreal but he's not the "super dooper kleptomancy maniac" like he was anymore, both his numbers and klepto have been nerfed.

Jinx Draven Xayah Sivir Tristana Twitch all good picks.

Vayne KogMaw Cancer.

I personally see Varus as cancer as well once he builds item 3124, which is the same bot Kog is in.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

how is kog'maw cancer? he has no mobility or CC to peel for himself so if you can't jump on him and eliminate him then its your own fault.

Potchikir1 votes

lol tristana oneshots at lvl 5 without pta

PhantomPrankster1 votes

ezreal is trash now

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