With this Jinx buff coming, Idk what to hell am I gonna ban...

option paralysis·Jan 13, 2018·28 votes·2,773 views

I always ban katarina, because she's fucking fed somehow every time I see her and I can't stand the bitch jumping around like it's urf. Then you have to ban ezreal, still obnoxious to play against. Gotta ban twitch whenever you can, gotta ban vayne cuz we all know why. And now you're buffing another adc to right click insane dmg. Kha zix getting attention AGAIN whereas some champs haven't been touched for years but alright. Then zoe is still a toxic menance, etc... Like, what the fuck am I supposed to ban now. I ban one shit, then 6 other shitters pop up.

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Baron BarianJan 13, 201827 votes

You gotta learn how to fight SOME champions you hate. I used to ban Yas, but then I learned how to fight him, and now I've long since seen him as a bit of a wimp.

TehNACHOJan 13, 201824 votes

What? But this is the Gameplay board. Why learn how to capitalize on the weaknesses of the champions I hate when I can whine and scream in public to nerf them instead?

ChallengerTierJan 13, 20186 votes

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NaymlissJan 13, 20184 votes

I have mastery 7 on yasuo, do I get to complain about him? Even if you know how they work, it is still toxic and unfun to play against some champs. My knowlege of beyblading on yas isn't going to save me as lux against yasuo. I'll be forced to play an extremely passive playstyle in which my only cc he can flat out windwall.

That aside, I wouldn't complain on the boards about a champion.

ChallengerTierJan 13, 20181 votes

fight fire with fire i guess idk

InfernapeJan 13, 20183 votes

Fight aids with space aids Malzahar

NørseJan 13, 20183 votes

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Fight aids with space aids

Doesn't work, Yas just goes fleet footwork and can sustain the lane long enough to get a quick silver, zeal, bf, and then he can all in you at will.

LiteUpSketchersJan 13, 20181 votes

Heh have fun with that Q and R nerf next patch.

To the dumpster space aids goes!

Spicy RiceJan 13, 20181 votes

Lux actually does decently against yasuo as long as you keep your distance tho...

Ahri BakaJan 13, 20183 votes

That's the problem , I main Lux , and laning against Yasuo is a slow death , poking him is a waste of mana , fleetwork will perma heal him , his farm will surely be more than mine , and then mid game starts and fights starts and he has the advantage

LordGeovanniJan 15, 20181 votes

Lux has 2 cc spells and she can use either to bait for the other

option paralysisJan 13, 20184 votes

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What? But this is the Gameplay board. Why learn how to capitalize on the weaknesses of the champions I hate when I can whine and scream in public to nerf them instead?

I hate answers like you and people that try to be intellectually superior and contribute nothing else. Like stfu. Of course you can learn to play against champs, but obviously they are ban worthy for a reason, because most of the time they get fed out of their mind since you're not PLAYING IN ALL 5 ROLES AT THE SAME TIME. Btw, good for you to talk shit about the boards, you know the platform you're on and actively visiting, seems legit. You're so cool man and edgy.

TehNACHOJan 13, 20184 votes

So I like, hate you too man, so like, stfu, like you're so edge and cool for calling me out, like, man.

Seriously though if that's how you respond to sarcasm of all things, it's no wonder you made this post in the first place.

LordGeovanniJan 15, 20181 votes

assuming the champions dont cover their own supposed weakness and their weakness dont all assume that you are ranged with as much damage and mobility as them

Troll for TrumpJan 13, 20185 votes

You can learn how to play against champs, but they can still be well ban-worthy.

IllabetheJan 13, 20183 votes

I know how to fight most champs. Doesn't mean that you're not sometimes first pick or pick before they pick? for ever Katarina counter, there's 10 champs who stomp on her counters.

Zed doesn't really have a counter anymore, so personally, I like to ban him.

And you can say "learn to fight them" all you want vs a Jinx. Her play isn't about whether you "know her or not." It's about whether your TEAM knows her or not. If she gets a single kill or assist, she's going to finish your entire team. That's how jinx works once she has item 3094 . After that, she has a massive move speed boost and overcapped attack speed hitting for 900 crits from 850 range, and there's literally no avoiding it, because it's 6 full seconds of 175% move speed boost (on a Jinx that's literally around 1,274 Move speed, and with overcapped attack speed that means she procs 2-3 attacks a SECOND when chasing while Excited!, and every kill renews her).

The only way to escape an Excited Jinx Mid - Late game is either somehow kill her through her life steal (unlikely) or to Flash over walls and hope your team doesn't reset her Excited while she's chasing in your direction.

When that's the only counterplay...... you really throw out the argument: know your champ.

Ofc, a Good Zed can Eraser her, but he might die in the process or almost die.

There's one reason Jinx was OP, and that was Warlord's Bloodlust proccing huge heals. It's back in Fleet Footwork, and now she can proc it far earlier in the game, faster, and about once every 2 seconds in late game.

Furthermore, Jinx is often getting Duskblade now, which means ward removal, and Armor penetrating ults.

Niggles91Jan 13, 20182 votes

{quoted} Furthermore, Jinx is often getting Duskblade now, which means ward removal, and Armor penetrating ults.

Wtf are you talking about. Jinx and duskblade? Lol.

IllabetheJan 13, 20181 votes

Not part of her core but it's OP vs wards, so a LOT of adcs are picking it up for the 30g ward executes. Jinx can also use it to 820 range out of a bush for the passive.

Niggles91Jan 13, 20182 votes

Few adcs actually use duskblade, and they sure as hell don't use it to get a measly 30 gold. Jinx would be much better off building crit to actually use her stength, teamfighting, to its fullest extent.

iDarkWindJan 13, 20181 votes

Everyone has acess to a stop watch at lv6 wich prevents one all in from Zed wich could lead to the start of his snowball. You've no idea how drastic the existence of stop watch is to Zed. Plus, you can buy it as ADC to upgrade to GA later, but until then you have one chance to completly negate the enemy mid laners ultimate and probably win the team fight if timed well.

Plus, an ADC that isn't extremly behind, that has GA and Tabis is actually kinda hard to Zed to kill hit unless he's far ahead. Tabis alone can counter both Duskblade and Ghostblade bonus lethality wich is already bad for Zed, on top of that a GA that gives defensive stats and also 40 AD, it's quite problematic for the Assasin to be able to do his job.

That's my opinion, just trying to show you my point of view of the situation tough, and here I didn't talk about the impact that your own team can have against Zed when he dives the backline, because Zed ultimate has a delay wich gives time to people react.

IllabetheJan 13, 20183 votes

It's only problematic for a BAD Zed. Keep in mind a Plat Zed is arguably still a Silver player, because their champion carried them. If they tried to pick up an Anivia or Taliyah, they'd likely suck balls. Or if they try to play other roles. So yeah. You'll see some bad Zeds. GOOD Zeds time around it. It's like how you play Chicken with YI: If you have a Delayed CC and you're vs a Yi, Yi will often just auto attack you until you use the CC, and then will Alpha strike to avoid it. If you start the fight with the delayed CC, he will immediately Alpha. If the incoming damage is going to be followed by non CC burst like Syndra's Ult, Yi will just Meditate.

Zed can Chicken anyone in the game.

Also, Duskblade isn't about the Lethality. It's about the proc, which WILL still go through, Tabis and GA are impossible to get before a Zed gets fat, so you're argument is really poor here. That alone = 4000g, and an Adc never builds GA as a first item, while a Zed ALWAYS builds Duskblade first. Zed will on average have his duskblade for at least 7 minutes while an adc attempts to buy the counters. During that time, Zed has killed them 2-3 times, and bought another lethality item.

Zed Ultimate does NOT have a built in Delay. It CAN' have a delay, but Zed can Reactivate it as soon as he casts it. All Zed has to do to kill someone and escape is Ult >W, and then reactivate ult to get out, if the target is low enough.

I've seen Zeds do their entire combo in less than .5 seconds before they ever get hit by anything.

iDarkWindJan 13, 20181 votes

I'm not going to argue with you. Pointless after the first statement. You're just flat out someone that doesn't care / doesn't want to improve but just want to cry and expect to Riot to listen to you. Keep banning him and good luck in the rankeds, that's the best advice I can give you so far. By the way, play him, and get to Platinum, would love to see that.

IllabetheJan 13, 20181 votes

I am Platinum, and have been for 3 Seasons.

SwarovskoJan 13, 20182 votes

learning how to fight Ornn LUL

Jet SettJan 13, 20181 votes

Knowing how to face champions you hate isn't hard, it's continuing to play more games when the champs you hate are popular. That's the real challenge.

RexxieeJan 13, 201810 votes

Why do you think jinx is going to be ban tier?

Shes still going to be a worse version of twitch, who isnt ban tier himself atm.

Zoe is not ban tier anymore either, she got some pretty harsh nerfs last patch, vayne will not be ban tier after the next patch nerfs and with the fact they are making relic start not viable for adcs anymore, which will send her back to the dumpster.

You should be banning brand right now, his winrate spiked by over 10%.

Its funny that boards love to complain about champs with sub 50% win rates that are mediocre at best because "they are annoying" meanwhile shit like malz being overpowered for over 6 months (with completely deciding worlds final as a chery on top) with absurd win rates everyone around here seem to casually gloss over.

Athenes LuluJan 13, 20182 votes

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You should be banning brand right now, his winrate spiked by over 10%.

Its funny that boards love to complain about champs with sub 50% win rates that are mediocre at best because "they are annoying" meanwhile shit like malz being overpowered for over 6 months (with completely deciding worlds final as a chery on top) with absurd win rates everyone around here seem to casually gloss over.

because malz and brand are mages and mages cant be bullshite u know

Spank the FoxJan 13, 20181 votes

maegs r weak!

inb4 “they’re just two examples” while Orianna continues to run rampant mid too.

SkorchJan 13, 20182 votes

Ori actually isnt doing to hot compared to a lot of mids

Daddy AntsJan 13, 20181 votes

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maegs r weak!

inb4 “they’re just two examples” while Orianna continues to run rampant mid too.

Ahri Anivia Malzahar Zoe Velkoz Veigar Xerath Lux Orianna Annie are strong

Spank the FoxJan 13, 20181 votes

Did you miss the sarcasm?

T4underboltJan 13, 20182 votes

Its funny how clueless you are. Brand got 52 winrate from 48. He is still easy to outplay with clear counterplay and weaknesses. Winrate is not an indicator if champion is broken. You mention malzahar being broken for half a year but you defend twitch that actually is a problem for more than whole season.

Zoe "harsh" nerfs?. I wouldnt call it a nerf, but a bug fix. It was too forgiving to hit qqr combo without even good timing., but still all you need to do is get used to for like an hour in practice mode to new way of her combo working. Her main problems that make her cancer champ are still not solved. Vayne nerfs do not even hit the right spot. It was supposed to fix her early game and fast scaling. It doesnt. Vayne really doesnt need that extra dmg from ult. She does enough damage without it and can kill you in 5-6 autos after getting stattik and berserkers and being 0/4. You have no idea about balance. Outside of malzahar nothing was right.

TylerBrahJan 13, 20181 votes

Vayne isn't gonna be dumpster tier, not with Fleet footwork and zeal items costing peanuts.

FishlordJan 13, 20188 votes

Holy shit bruh, I hate kat too. Such a broken ass champ, fk that btch.

LegitBusinessmanJan 13, 20188 votes

Play Jinx right now. You either get fed or you are basically about as useful as a cannon minion. It's kind of miserable.

DestructoDaveJan 13, 20185 votes

Easy for me: I ban Vayne every game. Jinx will be strong but she is still an immobile ADC, and she doesnt have any cheese mechanics that lets her melt tanks. Rockets really dont get the job done, Mini-gun puts her right in the thick of things to be jumped on by basically every champion in league right now with movement skills.

IllabetheJan 13, 20181 votes

Yes. She does lol. Just because she doesn't have true damage does not mean Jinx doesn't melt tanks. In fact she melts them from a range they can't react to. And if she can't seal the deal, her ult will (it does % missing HP damage). Also, Jinx is going to have so much up front loaded attack speed next patch, she can rush item 3036 or item 3033 before building 3 Zeals. All she needs is her IE and boots and an RFC, and she can build straight into 3rd full item Armor pen. Technically if she expects a tank carry team, she can even make the Armor pen her second item after an RFC, and make the IE third.

DestructoDaveJan 13, 20182 votes

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Yes. She does lol. Just because she doesn't have true damage does not mean Jinx doesn't melt tanks. In fact she melts them from a range they can't react to. And if she can't seal the deal, her ult will (it does % missing HP damage). Also, Jinx is going to have so much up front loaded attack speed next patch, she can rush or before building 3 Zeals. All she needs is her IE and boots and an RFC, and she can build straight into 3rd full item Armor pen. Technically if she expects a tank carry team, she can even make the Armor pen her second item after an RFC, and make the IE third.

How do you figure? U do know that Rockets do not get that attack speed right? A range they can't deal with has a very slow attack speed attached. Rockets are actually horrible at killing tanks. If you are in a straight frontline, kill tanks battle, another ADC is going to beat you unless you are mini-gunning it. Which means, you are pretty close to the fight. She is great at 1/2 shotting some squishy who stepped too close or after she gets an assist. She can just speed around 2-3 shotting squishies with rockets once she gets excited. If she has to rocket the tanks down, shes in trouble. I've been in those games.

She has 525 mini-gun range, you know. Thats where the buff is going. She is still going be strong, but she is immobile.

ResterJan 13, 20184 votes

Just keep bullying Jinx with MF or Ezreal.

ŚhunpoJan 13, 20184 votes

You dislike Katarina? Ever heard of CC? Or....moving to the right?

NyarlathοtepJan 13, 20181 votes

Too bad the pick up radius of her daggers is huge. Giving almost no time to escape

ŚhunpoJan 13, 20182 votes

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Too bad the pick up radius of her daggers is huge. Giving almost no time to escape

The radius isn't really that big and she doesn't really have any CC besides Gunblade to guarantee hitting 2 daggers.

NyarlathοtepJan 13, 20181 votes

Yes it is. And she can even choose where to land on a dagger.

ŚhunpoJan 13, 20181 votes

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Yes it is. And she can even choose where to land on a dagger.

Yes, and you can choose where to right click on the screen to move out of the way.

NyarlathοtepJan 14, 2018

You wont get in time without having enough movement speed. Even if you start moving the moment she throws her dagger, you wont get in time safely.

ŚhunpoJan 14, 20181 votes

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You wont get in time without having enough movement speed. Even if you start moving the moment she throws her dagger, you wont get in time safely.

Yes you will. If you're playing mid lane you either have CC or you have an escape ability.