RIOT do you have any plans for buffing Camille?

JavelinJoe··3 votes·395 views

She is more or less unplayable unless you have a solid team behind you to always help you out. She can no longer really contest anyone 1v1 until late mid game. But how often do games even got to there now? Not very often. Most games rap up between 20-30 minutes now. And she preforms best during the 35-40 minute chunk. Then laughably falls off hard for the late game. link.

Not to mention you have made her kit completely impossible to sustain the laning phase vs a stronger opponent (which almost all are currently) and/or one with better CC (like most have). When you nerfed her entire kit back in patch 7.3, she was just barely playable. Then the 7.7 nerfs came and she dropped again. This time too low for anyone to have a good reason to pick her over other champions (besides being a die hard Camille main one trick of course, but there are very few of those left). Seriously, why should I play Camille, when Fiora JarvanIV Darius and a few others can provide a similar role for the team and have far greater success rates at doing it?

Basically now, everything she does is of significant risk to her own health. A missed hook shot second bounce is not gonna do shit for her and may just end up killing her. Cant get too close to an enemy champion because you can only heal from the outer half of your W, and only vs champions. Do you want to save your Q for the true damage to kick in hoping you do not get focused by and kind of CC which will cause you to miss you window, or forget the entire reason you pressed Q in the first place and just settle for the slight movement speed. Hope she does not get instantly focused or killed when she ults, or is becomes a complete waste since it would last for just 1 second, not even giving her much of a chance to fight her target. AND, is it even worth ulting for the sad 2.5s duration? Seriously, She might get 2, if lucky maybe 3, basic attacks off in that time frame.

She cant get a return kill off of sloppy tower dives with her ult anymore too, because 4 seconds was too long for her to have when dead. Champions dive, Camille ults, champion kills Camille, champion waits 1 seconds, then champion walks out without even the risk of dying to tower aggro.

I get that she was OP, and that you were nerfing her to stop her dominance, but seriously, you have over nerfed her, and it is time for a buff. I want to play her. But I also want to win. And for a long time now, you can't really expect both unless you have spend countless hours playing her so you know how to win when you always start with a handicap, or have a premade team behind you. I really hope she does not become another one of your "we can't buff them because any kind of buff, even if necessary, would just break them" kind of champion. Similar to how Azir and Kalista already seem to be.

8 Comments

Zielmann2 votes

Classic case of Riot putting far too much into her kit for her to ever be healthy. I could have told you that on reading what her abilities all did when she was revealed. Unfortunately, Riot didn't seem to catch on that there would be problems during her development phase. The end result is something like Azir, where the champion gets nerfed into the ground until they can get around to a larger-scale rework on them.

Vęrtęx1 votes

I don't know if she's unplayable because I learned her in the state she is right now but what I have noticed is that if I get two kills ahead I can't win a straight up duel and I'm just like wtf so I'm guessing she is really weak. I don't even try kill my laner unless my jungler comes because 1 I will probably die if I fight my laner 2 I can just roam mid for an easy kill with my ult and hook shot. That's how I try to win on Camille. Not win my lane but my teammates lanes. I just noticed with this post I like to learn up champs lol. kalista azir Ryze and now Camille. Feels bad that I like complex kits

Azureee2 votes

Legit, you hit 6 and roam mid since she can't 1v1 anyone at all top now, it's so aids

Vęrtęx1 votes

Yeap

JavelinJoe1 votes

I know. And she is a squishy, single target, focused diver. How all of those are supposed to successfully work together is beyond me. She has the kit and intended play style of an assassin/diver but the kill potential worse than that of a level 1 Jinx.

Tormentula1 votes

There's buffs on the pbe.

I don't find her unplayable at all, she's good but her skill ceiling is way above her skill floor and unless you reach that skill ceiling all her matchups shit on you. Kinda like GP except playing passive Camille when to is way harder as a melee.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Is it those Q damage buffs? If so, I have to ask, why buff her Q? Her Q is fine. Just allow her to heal off of minions again if you can give her only a single buff.

playing passive Camille when to is way harder as a melee

That is also basically how Garen is, except in his case, building tanky is a great option, and he has a massive regen buff for when he gets poked down too low.

Tormentula1 votes

Idk why her Q was getting buffed, maybe to make her early and mid game trades be stronger since a lot of her kits synergy involved negating damage with passive, healing what damage she takes, and doing a fuck ton of damage to make the trade free.

Personally I would've preferred they brought back the healing but just lowered how much it actually heals her.

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