Can Riot stop making abilities that completely negate other people's abilities

ZzEslIolZQ·Aug 24, 2015·3 votes·743 views

Windwall, Braum's wall, trollpole, Fiora's bullshit.

Please, just stop.

18 Comments

SockSnifferAug 24, 20154 votes

why?

abilities that punish or that counter things aren't a bad idea at all in fact it opens up interesting gameplay between different champions by trying to force these abilities out and creating a game of chicken between the players involved.

At least most of these do Playful/Trickster is probably an exception to that since it is just such a low CD, can be used almost all the time to avoid most anything, and is way to versatile for what it does

Aeolian MelodiesAug 24, 20151 votes

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why?

abilities that punish or that counter things aren't a bad idea at all in fact it opens up interesting gameplay between different champions by trying to force these abilities out and creating a game of chicken between the players involved.

At least most of these do Playful/Trickster is probably an exception to that since it is just such a low CD, can be used almost all the time to avoid most anything, and is way to versatile for what it does

Honestly I have no issues with Nami's ult being blocked by a good reflex Yasuo wall.

I have issues:

With the wall standing there for three hours making it impossible for Nami to ever ult or Q in a fight, meaning she might as well not exist, something that is meant to be "clutch" shouldn't stand there for so long
The side of the wall that has been placed diagonally by a fail Yasuo stopping the whole wave because one pixel touched it

it would also help if the definition of projectile was not so damn cryptic. How is Kassadin's E a projectile but Annie's W isn't? They're the same animation with a different particle.

SwapShadowsAug 24, 20152 votes

zeds ult gets negated by most abilities

deal with it

Critmaster GarenAug 24, 20151 votes

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zeds ult gets negated by most abilities

deal with it

zeds ult also negates a lot of abilities. people tend to forget, that the spell makes him untargetable himself and it can be used just like riposte in many cases to dodge abilities while having its damage component. the cooldown is also pretty low.

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why?

abilities that punish or that counter things aren't a bad idea at all in fact it opens up interesting gameplay between different champions by trying to force these abilities out and creating a game of chicken between the players involved.

At least most of these do Playful/Trickster is probably an exception to that since it is just such a low CD, can be used almost all the time to avoid most anything, and is way to versatile for what it does

the reason i think playful/trickster is a problem, is because it serves as defensive ability, damage ability AND is a pretty strong mobility tool at the same time.

if theyd restrict the darn thing a bit more that he has to choose how he uses it (either defensively or as a gap closer), then it would probably be balanced.

riposte on the other hand can only be used defensively and is therefor not a problem imo.

but playful/trickster can allow fizz to engage someone while at the same time make it impossible to stop him in his tracks.

CrossetteAug 24, 20151 votes

I played AP Fiora mid on the PBE and fought a Lux.

Let's just say I went 26-1. xD

[just saying it can be used offensively if you aren't going meta]

Critmaster GarenAug 24, 20151 votes

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I played AP Fiora mid on the PBE and fought a Lux.

Let's just say I went 26-1. xD

[just saying it can be used offensively if you aren't going meta]

ok, this sounds funny but in no way a viable build. technically you could have done this more easy before her rework, as riposte also had ap scaling and only required to take an auto attack instead of executing a skillshot.

the average skill level and seriousness of games on the pbe is nowhere near the same as on live.

not to mention that except from riposte that you need to hit, to deal damage to your opponent, absolutely nothing in her kit sales with ap. youre basically a 1 trick pony and the damage isnt even reliable in any form.

CrossetteAug 24, 20151 votes

(I just realized I play a lot of AD champions AP because of one scaling, welp)

I also did AP Lucian and I have a list of champions to go AP with for one or two scalings. I did Graves mid about a week ago and won my lane somehow ;-;

Weiner the PoohAug 24, 20152 votes

And what would you suppose Fiora gets instead of her w, she needs some way to survive as a squishy melee.

CppLAug 24, 20151 votes

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And what would you suppose Fiora gets instead of her w, she needs some way to survive as a squishy melee.

Hydra+her ulti ,you need at least 2 people to oudamge her sustain.

Bears Dont CareAug 24, 20151 votes

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Hydra+her ulti ,you need at least 2 people to oudamge her sustain.

This just in, duelist are hard to beat 1v1.

Weiner the PoohAug 24, 20151 votes

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Hydra+her ulti ,you need at least 2 people to oudamge her sustain.

My question was what do u think she should have instead of w because it's sooooo op, or do u suggest simply removing it and her not having a w?

CppLAug 24, 20152 votes

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My question was what do u think she should have instead of w because it's sooooo op, or do u suggest simply removing it and her not having a w?

Im fine with her W blocking spells ,but not ultimates or even a fucking summoner spells.I saw her blocking ignite and exhaust like wtf ?

ReshiKillimAug 24, 20151 votes

Fiora W isn't all that bad. And she isn't the only one who can waste summs as well.

TyroneWatermelonAug 24, 20151 votes

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And what would you suppose Fiora gets instead of her w, she needs some way to survive as a squishy melee.

shes fighter,only idiots build her full damage,and blocking every cc and damage spell in the game plus summoner spells isnt the solution.