Lee has nerfs on the PBE
It isn't Yasuo, he has changes planned too according to Riot Q&A
It isn't Vayne, she got nerfed
It isn't Kennen, he has nerfs too
It's actually Jayce
Because Riot has no nerfs at all planned for this champ even though he had absurd stats at worlds
Let's nerf Shaco instead
RexSaur44 votesIts actually Ahri.
And ryze, he will get reworked 20 more times and he'll always be broken in each time.
FalconPawwwwnch5 votesRyze has nerfs tho
RexSaur7 votesRyze has nerfs tho
Ryze always finds a way to remain broken, and then riot out of the blue buffs him again
Kharn Skyshatter9 votesRyze always finds a way to remain broken, and then riot out of the blue buffs him again
I see what you did there...
RainbowIcee7 votesI agree with this.. also Jayce was out of the meta for so long i had to downvote OP for being so naive.
HazyCloud74 votesThe right answer, Ahri is perpetually top ~5 in win rate and play rate in mid lane.
NineTailedMystic8 votesShe's always strong, but never overbearing.
TwinkiePro2 votesespecially not when she lands her blitz hook amiright?
NineTailedMystic2 votesYes, the 1-2s CC that's her only real redeeming feature most of the time, that doesn't displace and is usually maxed last.
Baron Perenolde3 votesHer only redeeming feature? I know people downplay their mains (I'm just as guilty of it) but come on now.
NineTailedMystic2 votesHer damage is sub par compared to most mids in terms of bases and ratios, the only other thing she has is mobility. Her kit revolves around Charm for making a pick.
Limrick2 votesTo be fair her mobility is really good.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIt is good, but mobility does nothing on its own. Her damage is only adequate and she has a reliance on Charm to hit the back end of Q and make picks.
TwinkiePro2 votesMobility does a lot on its own. Everyone despises yasuo, riven and lee sin, some of the most mobile champions in the game.
NineTailedMystic1 votesYes, because they dick on you once they reach you because of their damage. If they only had mobility and no damage, they'd be worthless.
TwinkiePro3 votesAnd that's why she does well, because she has good consistent damage, pick, and mobility.
Saying she has low scalings doesn't mean much simply because several of her abilities can hit multiple times as well as having low cooldowns, as well as having 2 abilities give her mobility and another that reduces her enemy's.
NineTailedMystic1 votesAhri's full rotation is 854 + (2.14x) with one ult charge or 854 + (2.74x) with all 3 ult charges. She struggles very hard if she falls behind unlike Viktor or Syndra who will still delete most squishies if a little behind. That's EVERYTHING including all multihits.
Her cooldowns are average, and Charm is a 12s CD that doesn't decrease with ranks, only CDR. Her CDs are only low because most Ahri players prioritize CDR in our runes with 10% scaling CDR, Morello's 20% and Zhonya's/Abyssal/Blue for the last 10%
TwinkiePro3 votesShe doesn't hyperscale like syndra or viktor for many reasons, but she is a very solid pick into most comps simply because of her mobility. Her damage certainly isn't the greatest, but the fact that she can fit into most comps so well is due mostly in part of her mobility and kiting.
We can nitpick all day what champs are better at doing what. I can argue that Ahri's charm is a shorter cooldown, longer range blitz hook, but we all know blitz is still the king of picks. The fact is that she is very well rounded and highly mobile. A 53% winrate and 11% play rate indicate that she is indeed quite strong.
P.S. with 3 ult charges the base would be 1154 considering Spirit Fire refreshes and can relock upon targets. This also means the scaling would be (3.34x) as well.
Baron Perenolde2 votesWhat about her safety and sustain? There's a reason Ahri is consistently in the top 15 of win rates in spite of her huge pick rate; she's not busted or anything, but she is a very good champion.
Sraeg20134 votesFact check: Ahri remains one of the most picked mid laners and sporting 52-54% winrate since July 2014 only being nerfed once when she became so overbearing her winrate went to 58%.
Checks OP.
BIackfox22 votesI thought it was ahri
Weathered10 votesOr maybe an entire company, Riot, doesn't have one favorite champion? There's no reason their shouldn't be some slight soft spots because the people behind balance are humans, and humans have likes and dislikes, but the whole "Riot's favorite" argument is bs.
A Doorknob9 votesDidn't he indirectly get nerfed being introduced to season 7?
ACENOX22 votesWin constantly the laning phase?
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Has the most stupid damage of top lane?
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is ranged?
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has a pseudo-"i have everything" kit?
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has one of the strongest teamfight? has one of the strongest sieging?
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tell me how he was nerfed again
Apocalypsic7 votesThe items he heavily utilized got nerfed.
OHminus26 votesSteelMankind3 votesI agree with you that Jayce is pretty strong and might deserve some nerfs, but his teamfights is pretty bad. You can't use melee form at all; he's really only useful for the poke.
Also remember how underplayed Jayce was for an entire 2 seasons before Riot buffed him. Every champ deserves some time to be a bit overtuned.
fancifulHat5 votesThe nerfs kick the shit out of AP Shaco, while doing doing nothing to help AD. At least when Riot nerfed AP Kog'maw, there was some compensation for bot lane Kog.
MunchCrunchLunch4 votesahri. last time she spiked to highest wr they made her charm not cancel dashes (which it shouldn't have it was a bug). lmao. it didn't change her winrate either by much.
ahri has been top 5 mid laners for over a year.
Envoy of Death4 votesits ahri can have top5 winrate for like 8 months and riot is giving her compensation buffs while ignoring other champions who get fucked way harder and actually need help
NineTailedMystic1 votesWhat compensation buffs lol.
WoonStruck7 votesI think he's referring to her getting MS on her Q for losing the damage amp E and gaining a little bit of damage way back when.
I don't think he realizes it was to change her direction/purpose as opposed to being a straight nerf.
NineTailedMystic1 votesShe actually didn't gain any damage form 5.2 to 5.3 since her W damage buff got reverted in 5.3 and Charm gained +0/5/10/15/20 base damage and +0.15 AP (.5 AP from .35 AP) in compensation for -20% Damage Amp in 5.2. It was a pretty net neutral change after she got rightfully nerfed in 5.3
WoonStruck4 votesLike I said, change in direction (not an assassin) more than nerf.
A little while after that they added the Q MS buff since the one universal thing about her no matter what she can accomplish at any given time seems to be kiting, right?
NineTailedMystic3 votesYes. She was moved from Assassin to Kite Mage, but in the new subclass listing from Riot she's a Burst Mage. I would rather they remove her Q MS to make her less safe in lane, but bump up her bases/ratios since they're rather low compared to most mids.
The reason why Ahri has a high winrate is because she's so safe at all points of the game since they gave her the Q MS. I like the MS honestly, but I think it gives her too much strength early.
Marshbouy2 votesPlease show me the empirical data that Jayce is OP
ShaolinToilet5 votesThat doesn't prove he's broken at all. Having a 51% win rate is not broken.
The Taco Kat1 votesI didn't intend to call him broken; that was miscommunication by my part. What I meant to prove is that he is a champion who has a very high skill ceiling, but his "pick him up and play" playstyle is also a bit too strong. As I stated above, I think a small damage adjustment to his ranged W could make it much more pleasant to lane versus a Jayce as a melee champion.
My apologies for the lack of explanation.
Marshbouy1 voteswow a 51% winrate with a 7% playrate? That's hardly anything. 52% winrate and a 1.5% playrate? Still hardly anything.
The Taco Kat1 votesAn 8% play rate is average, so it isn't much below an average play rate, but I'd expect a fairly high skillcap champion to not go above 50%. I'm not calling him broken, but he is definitely needed a small adjustment, such as a slightly lower scale on his ranged form W just to make laning standable if you are a melee.
Miraweave2 votesJayce, the Mind Sculptor
Gamer Gallade2 votesAyyy. Nice MTG reference.
Miraweave2 votes[{quoted}](name=Gamer Gallade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JYGTHAYP,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-12-11T04:16:13.763+0000)
Ayyy. Nice MTG reference.
+1
Unban Jace in modern pls
A Basic Island2 votesneed a huge reprinting before that happens
i dont want $200 jaces nty pls.
fellow blue player (i hate mountains look at me name)
Twidgetron1 votesOh god please reprint JTMS in something other than Eternal Masters, Wizards. I so want one for casual play/commander, but don't want to shell out for it... Karn and Ugin too!
Miraweave1 votesOh god please reprint JTMS in something other than Eternal Masters, Wizards. I so want one for casual play/commander, but don't want to shell out for it... Karn and Ugin too!
Ugin's actually pretty reasonable now, isn't he?
Twidgetron1 votesEhh 18-30 from what I've seen, still more than I'd like to pay ;-;. My Emrakul, the Promised End Commander deck really should get both Ugin and Karn but they're just more money than they're worth to me.