Can we change one of the AP + Health items into AP + Armor?

SwiftKitten88··2 votes·716 views

like we have a CRAZY amount of AP + HP items... item 3027 item 3030 item 3152 item 3151 item 3116

and we only have item 3157 for AP + Armor...

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Mizuki Zahra2 votes

Malphite would benefit from more ap + armor pleaseeeeeee make it happen lol

Ravenhale1 votes

item 3050

SwiftKitten881 votes

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item 3050

good point... but 30 armor and 50 AP isn't great unless your a support and can use the active

Ravenhale1 votes

It's not a bad item on a mid laner if you have an ADC that has no crit limit or is building Lethality instead of Crit.

Ralanr1 votes

Maokai, Malphite, Zac (especially Zac), Alistar...actually every tank with two or three AP scalings would greatly benefit from a non support AP and Armor item.

Penns1 votes

Hm, they dont really build Zhonyas either so idk.

Ralanr3 votes

That's cause hourglasses active (the entire reason you build it in the first place) is the worst possible thing you could put on a tank.

Tanks want to draw aggro towards them, not away.

Ravenhale1 votes

item 2053 + item 3136 + 600 g = an interesting AP Bruiser item...

Penns1 votes

Yeah so if you give it an offensive active/passive and not more than 40-50 armor, I doubt tanks will buy it a lot.

Ralanr1 votes

Considering how tanks like sunfire, making it offensive wouldn't exactly be what turns tanks away. And the low armor could make it a later buy (and also defeat the purpose of giving mages a good AP/Armor item).

Penns1 votes

I mean, I dont really need another AP/armor item anyway, I just want Zhonyas to be not as.. bad lol.

Ralanr1 votes

Meh, i don't really care tbh.

Penns1 votes

Its not even worth rushing against most AD champs while Hexdrinker is abused by anything that can somewhat use its stats including stuff like Kata, so... I do item 3070

Friendly Ram1 votes

but there's also only one ap+mr item.item 3001 . though i'm all for more items for mages.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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but there's also only one ap+mr item.item 3001 . though i'm all for more items for mages.

yeah but that item is also freaking amazing... so... yeah...

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

I mean, AD assassins are pretty reliant on their targets having low armor to do a lot of damage (so they get more %damage amplification from armor pen/Lethality), and assuming that this new item was halfway decent, stacked with Zhonya's would completely negate much of an AD assassin's damage.

Meanwhile these health items exist because assassins will still do damage through them.

In other words: Armor is too effective against armor pen to merit another armor+ap item. Mages rarely use much flat magic pen, instead relying on huge numbers, so thus many AD+MR items exist but only 1 AD+Health item.

Also health is perfectly fine against ADC's who don't have %max health damage, while not completely negating assassins. You don't think Mages supposed to be tanky, but then you had RoA+Prenerf Rylais+Liandry's Brand/Lissandra.

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