@RiotMeddler & RiotNeuroCat - Removed in a Healthy Way? You Removed Everything.

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> Karma - Mini update work on her's being tested at the moment. Current focus is on seeing whether we can bring back one of her old gameplay effects that got removed in a healthy, useful way. Early days still on that, but it's showing some promise.

Really? You think removing her shield bomb was removed in a healthy way? Do you guys seriously hate this champion so much that you have, somehow, convinced yourselves that removing one of her iconic abilities was healthy? You removed it from Karma and gave it to Ivern. Do you guys seriously think having a Iron Locket of Solari active with a Sivr ULT was the most healthiest thing you did on this champion? Let's really go over this since you seem to think your relaunch was a roaring success.

  1. Removed her fans for a thematic that is unpolished, unrecognizable, and wasn't even present with her relaunch. Karma's thematic still isn't present even after the relaunch. The real mains have to wonder, was removing Karma's fans really worth the trouble of trying to make a Mantle of Decorum work that doesn't even tell us why she has it now?

  2. In a pathetic attempt at trying to appease players who were upset at you for removing her dress, you gave us the mess we have now. It's unpolished, doesn't tell us anything about Karma, you didn't really bring her thematic to life, and you gave us incomplete animations. Karma's entire visual update is a joke and feels incredibly unfinished, yet you guys thinks she is fully conceptualized and amazing. Was this done in a healthy way?

http://pre06.deviantart.net/0e21/th/pre/i/2013/243/4/d/karma_thumbs_paul_kwon_pkfire_by_zeronis-d6kgas5.jpg

You had the above concepts, created by you guys, that you could have given us and you give us what we have today? I mean you didn't even give us the actual concept you showed us either.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zrHgmN6uoto/maxresdefault.jpg

Its seriously all just a tragic mess and you guys just think it is polished and amazing. Below is what you gave us.

https://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/March_2013/03_15_2013_Karma_Relaunch/Karma_SS.jpg

  1. You removed Karma's identity as a mage/battle mage for support. She has remained one of the most numbers buffed champions and is always out of line when the itemization favors her and her numbers are overbuffed. You kept telling us for years that the kit was amazing and she was perfect the way she was, yet here we are and you are going to do nothing but give her back shield bomb. I know for a fact you guys are probably not even going to touch a single thing in her kit other than keeping the mass shield and speed buff. You are going to add shield bomb into the mix as well. Don't you think that one ability is going to be overloaded with so many mechanics? Karma needs more than shield bomb coming back. Karma needs an actual passive, new damage options that are not blocked by minions, and a completely new W and Mantra W.

  2. Do not get me started on the VO that is just a mess. If Lux can get a VO update and additions, why can Karma not? The original VO for Kamra, Danielle McRae, has expressed interest and willingness to do more work on Karma. She is passionate about her work. It just seems like you guys are more interested in popular champions than the ones you didn't even bother making amazing in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiVqbOSLBDs


The excuses for the past five years by you guys is that she was the first VGU and you didn't know what you were doing, that you cannot do anything on her because new Karma players will be mad at you, there are more champions (the same popular champions every single year) that need art and kit updates more than Karma, and that you don't have the money to invest in Karma anymore. These are all excuse that you guys have created for yourselves for the past 5 years in conversations with me. YOU DID IT. You have an excuse to never do anything on her for the past 5 years, but a reason to do the same type of work on the same champions every single year.

Excuse me if I no longer care about your excuses. If it has taken you 5 years to sit here and tell us that you think Karma is a healthier and amazing champion for the past five years, ask the dedicated Karma mains who have been posting content and asking for work to be done on their favorite champion for the past five year? You will give Lux a VGU before Karma because that is where your favoritism lies every single year. You guys have legitimately removed everything that was iconic and amazing on Karma. OH GREAT! SHIELD BOMB IS COMING BACK! IT'S ICONIC AND AMAZING ON IVERN THOUGH. What about her fans, dress, and other things that actually made her iconic?


I am not trying to be pessimistic to the Karma mains and players who are really excited for her mini rework. The fact of the matter is the history this Development team has with Karma is very bad. If you think this work is going to matter, you really don't know her from the very beginning. This Development team has taken everything from this champion and given it to a new champion, for a kit that already exists on other champions and item actives in the game. This Development team and even RiotNeuroCat who is working on Karma, doesn't care about Karma. I don't care what anyone says. Until I see actual work that is going to make this champion better on a thematic, art and gameplay level, it is just nothing but an excuse to never do work on her that was made horrible because of a relaunch.

Downvote the crap out of me. I don't care.

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Muxxik8 votes

"Karma - Mini update work on her's being tested at the moment. Current focus is on seeing whether we can bring back one of her old gameplay effects that got removed in a healthy, useful way."

He isn't saying anything here about whether or not it was removed in a healthy way. He's saying they want to bring it back in a healthy way. You're misinterpreting what he meant because he did not phrase the sentence well.

The sentence should read: "Current focus is on seeing whether one of her removed gameplay effects can be brought back in a healthy, useful way".

Deathfall1 votes

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"Karma - Mini update work on her's being tested at the moment. Current focus is on seeing whether we can bring back one of her old gameplay effects that got removed in a healthy, useful way."

He isn't saying anything here about whether or not it was removed in a healthy way. He's saying they want to bring it back in a healthy way. You're misinterpreting what he meant because he did not phrase the sentence well.

It was removed because it was unhealthy. It has no counterplay. Great, they are bringing back shield bomb to be more healthier. OH WAIT!? It's on Ivern now.

Muxxik2 votes

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point about Karma - I don't play Karma and I know people have been upset about her for a very long time (I was around when she was released.) My only point was to clarify what the intent of Meddler's post was; that he was not, despite what you seemed to suggest, saying that her earlier changes were done in a healthy way.

Deathfall1 votes

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I'm not disagreeing with your overall point about Karma - I don't play Karma and I know people have been upset about her for a very long time (I was around when she was released.) My only point was to clarify what the intent of Meddler's post was; that he was not, despite what you seemed to suggest, saying that her earlier changes were done in a healthy way.

Ok.

DearPear1 votes

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You're misinterpreting what he meant because he did not phrase the sentence well.

I think it was phrased well enough. I'm not a native english speaker yet I understood what he meant.

Shahamut2 votes

Reading comprehension is hard...

DearPear3 votes

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Really? You think removing her shield bomb was removed in a healthy way?

Meddler did not say they removed her shield bomb in a healthy way. He said that they plan to add back some old Karma's effects in a healthy way. Quite the opposite of what you understood.

Deathfall1 votes

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Meddler did not say they removed her shield bomb in a healthy way. He said that they plan to add back some old Karma's effects in a healthy way. Quite the opposite of what you understood.

What do you think they are going to do then? I don't see them doing anything noteworthy other than bringing back Shield Bomb.

DearPear4 votes

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What do you think they are going to do then? I don't see them doing anything noteworthy other than bringing back Shield Bomb.

I don't know what they're going to do. But this has nothing to do with what I said.

Deathfall1 votes

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I don't know what they're going to do. But this has nothing to do with what I said.

Ok then. Why are you in here then?

DearPear1 votes

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Ok then. Why are you in here then?

Oh I see, you're trolling. My bad. Happy shitposting then!

Infernape2 votes

Just bring back the shield bomb and all will be gucci.

Deathfall1 votes

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Just bring back the shield bomb and all will be gucci.

That's not going to solve the problems. How do you think this is going to solve all of the problems they created 5 years ago? Just wondering.

Krully1 votes

she runs like a man

Deathfall1 votes

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she runs like a man

Running like a man or woman is beside the point. She has no running animation at all.

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