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The Back and Fourth Karma Buffs/Nerfs Needs to Stop. Give Her a GU and Prioritize It.

Deathfall·12/3/2019, 10:36:48 PM·32 votes·12,188 views
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The old and new Karma mains and myself are SICK and tired of back and fourth numbers buff that gets eventually nerfed. Karma's Q and Mantra Q damage was nerfed in part of her overwhelming top presence because of Klepto and Mantra W. Karma's shield duration and movement speed duration was buffed but quickly nerfed because she was hard to catch out. The ticks on Karma's W and Mantra W was nerfed because it was proccing certain keystone masteries too much. You buffed Karma's Mantra E because you wanted to prove to us that Karma could have a LCS presence, but you quickly nerfed it because the itemization and the unnecessary buff to Mantra E made her horrible to play against and boring to play as. There is so much more you, Riot Game Developers, have purposely gone out of your way to try and prove to everyone that plays as and against Karma that this kit and gameplay identity is working. It isn't.

Riot, you've had nearly 7 years to address the mountain of problems that you created with Karma. From your removal of iconic art assets and fun and interesting gameplay mechanics, you created a champion with half worked art assets, no gameplay identity, and a massive division within the Karma communities. Old, new, mage, top, tank, support and other Karma mains are at each others throats and insulting one another, for wanting something completely different on a champion who has nothing.

Instead of buffing Karma's basic abilities or Mantra, how about you finally tackle the problem of not having a streamlined gameplay identity and original concepts that make Karma unique? She had all of that and you removed it for the problem we have today. Stop making excuses and work on the champion if you are just going to nerf her again.

(I was half expecting the AP nerf to Q and Mantra Q to be reverted on her, but you go about the same thing you continue to do: buff and nerf something on her hoping something sticks. I cannot believe you are buffing the shields again after you spent months buffing and then nerfing them.)

I'm a long time player and have seen and heard every excuse in the book from multiple Developers. I'm really not trying to be rude and insensitive to these Developers. It really sucks to see your favorite champion of 7 years get completely ignored for every bit of work, to watch the same champions get work and other ones that don't deserve it over another one. DO YOUR JOB. 7 years worth of excuses had lead to almost 15+ buffs that gets immediately nerfed because Karma has art, thematic, and gameplay identity problems. This is all in part of the work YOU did on her. Stop buffing and nerfing her. Work on the problems and at least do your job and give her a Diana level rework.

People are tired of the Karma mains whining but your refusal to do anything outside of a buff/nerf is the entire reason why. Nothing is being accomplished with a back and fourth buff and nerf.

16 Comments

Hayaishi212/3/2019, 10:45:17 PM13 votes

If only Karma had a blue skin and was a male she'd get a rework every year.

Z3SIeeper12/4/2019, 4:51:34 AM11 votes

Karma's Q is the most boring ability. I can't believe she lost her duality theme (specifically shield bombs) for this generic fireball spell.

I've always called her "Generic Fireball Mage" since her rework.

Their excuse back then was that noone knew what Karma does, meanwhile Aphelios is being released.

Illidan is HOT12/4/2019, 7:28:03 AM7 votes

The funniest part of this buff is that the shield was proven to be too strong and boring on Karma so they nerfed it many times. Now they are buffing it again? We've made full circle. People at Karma mains subreddit joked about Karma getting her shield buffed before they release the Dawnbringer skin and here they are. It's not a joke, Riot actually buffs a fucking shield on Karma again. What will she pay for it this time? Will they nerf her Q damage harder? Doubt it cause this ability already feels like shit unless you're full AP fed midlane Karma with shitloads of mpen and AP. So maybe her mantra CD so she's even more boring to play than she is right now? Whatever. I don't get why are they featuring Karma in every single of their login screens/cinematics/videos/stories recently and make her seem like important character but at the same time her actual gameplay is boring as fuck and repetetive. They've even aknowledged that Karma has issues in need of fixing and that Karma players are divided. SO WHEN ARE YOU ACTUALLY START FIXING THESE ISSUES RIOT? WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 7+ YEARS TO HAVE THIS CHAMPION NOT SUCK ASS?

alekzu12/4/2019, 8:48:14 AM6 votes

Don't worry! The cycle continues just like Karma's reincarnation.

Except Riot doesn't carry on their memories and forget. The "Riot never learns" is meme no more.

Daddy Ants12/4/2019, 1:20:39 PM4 votes

They are only buffing her to amp sales on the new skin.

Like I said when Riven got buffed the same patch that Valiant Sword came out, they don't even try to hide it anymore.

The issue with Karma is if they go too hard on the buffs, she becomes oppressive in the pro scene.

Also, they can't "prioritize" a GU on her as there's plenty of champions who are desperate for reworks compared to her.

SilentBomber12/4/2019, 5:54:23 AM3 votes

I do not play Karma but i agree with the OP!

lceWolf12/3/2019, 11:21:17 PM2 votes

Depressing news for mid Karma players, we've already felt left behind by Riot. I'm sure this buff will help her support role nicely, sitting at 48.19% win rate on op.gg right now. There are a lot of changes Riot could make to utilize Karma better, it just doesn't really seem like they're willing to. Back on the buff/nerf carousel we go...

Deathfall12/4/2019, 10:39:44 PM2 votes

Despite the overwhelming amount of feedback and hate towards the shield buff, Meddler and Scruffy have decided that it's the best course of action to buff her shields again. It's not like they tried another numbers buff and increase the movement speed duration, which resulted in almost everything in her kit continuing to be nerfed. There are a lot of people on Twitter, Reddit and the boards telling them to stop doing the back and fourth numbers buff, but continuing to do it without a care in the world. Great job, Riot.

The thigh guy12/3/2019, 11:22:40 PM2 votes

Here’s the perfect fix for karma. Make her empowered q require her to hit someone for the aoe portion to happen. Boom. Champion fixed. Numbers can be bumped up.

Egirls Slave12/5/2019, 1:04:06 AM2 votes

Don't think you are special, they are doing this exact thing with most champs (most, just because I don't dare going with all, but might actually be all).

Just look at Rengar, they straight up reverted a full rework.

Forbidden Siren12/5/2019, 1:05:53 AM2 votes

I wish they commit to giving her a small update back when they were trying to give her a new W but gave up for some reason. And then you look at the update they're trying to give Diana and Wukong, makes me think they just don't care about Karma at all.

Magnesium1412/4/2019, 11:22:03 PM1 votes

or delete her much better for the game

Abandon12/5/2019, 9:43:33 AM1 votes

Imagine expecting a good rework nowadays XD!

Aatrox mains send their regards.