Sometimes i feel like armorpen is too easy to get

Marshbouy·Aug 5, 2016·32 votes·2,220 views

I dunno. I'm just tired of getting popped instantly as a tank

69 Comments

zlumpyAug 5, 20168 votes

Tfw when MF uses her ult to kill an alistar in 3 seconds even though he ulted. Yeah feesbad.

MarshbouyAug 5, 20166 votes

pretty much

Malignant VemiraAug 5, 20164 votes

Umm, no, you sacrifice a lot if you go armor pen, and unless you commit to it, it's never nearly enough. Play some talon, and let me know how you feel about armor pen after words.

MarshbouyAug 5, 201614 votes

item 3147 item 3071 item 3142 item 3156 really sacrificing a lot

HaloDragonXAug 5, 20169 votes

This is why Black Cleaver needs to go to melee only.

Also, I feel like CDR is too easy to get too.

MiraweaveAug 5, 20161 votes

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This is why Black Cleaver needs to go to melee only.

Also, I feel like CDR is too easy to get too.

The issue is mostly flat pen tbh.

Flat armor pen should be a unique passive.

PartholonianAug 5, 20164 votes

I don't think it necessarily should, but it should trade off harder with raw AD. item 3147 has the same AD as item 3072 , plus armor pen that makes you do more damage, PLUS the passive. And some movement speed because why the heck not.

Now guess which one is more expensive.

That's a damn high price to pay for lifesteal -- or too low a price to pay for armor pen.

Lady HammerlockAug 6, 20161 votes

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The issue is mostly flat pen tbh.

Flat armor pen should be a unique passive.

That would screw over assassins,the solution?

make it a unique passive on RANGED champions only

NineTailedMysticAug 6, 20166 votes

Youmuu's, Duskblade, and Cleaver need to go melee only.

DeathBot666Aug 6, 20163 votes

I'll give you duskblade and cleaver, but I feel like Youmuu's is fine to stay on ranged. Its one of few items which I feel is a decent item to help an adc to kite well, while also providing decent stats.

That, and maybe item 3022 .

NineTailedMysticAug 6, 20165 votes

20 Flat Pen cannot stay on ranged ADCs imo, especially when it gives AS on the the active.

Pierce The VealAug 6, 20161 votes

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20 Flat Pen cannot stay on ranged ADCs imo, especially when it gives AS on the the active.

Absolutely agreed.

TyroneWatermelonAug 6, 20161 votes

True,they already deal enough damage from range without counterplay

AltricadAug 6, 20161 votes

What if they changed the 20 armor pen to the active as well? Would make more sense since assassins/bruisers need it when they're in combat while ADCs want something to increase their dps throughout a team fight

AFK PushAug 6, 20161 votes

item 3053 too

RalanrAug 6, 20162 votes

Downside is that I can't see them making that melee only and keeping maw both.

AFK PushAug 6, 20161 votes

They will still have as an MR/Armor Pen choice, and will give them even more lifesteal which is the only defensive stat that they should be able to build item 3139 .

item 3156 should be meant for assassins and bruisers that have to fully commit to an all in, and allow them to win that trade (same with sterraks).

If an ADC is really worried about getting instagibbed then shouldn't they be building a item 3026 anyways?

Unstoppable MonkAug 6, 20161 votes

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This is why Black Cleaver needs to go to melee only.

Also, I feel like CDR is too easy to get too.

More like ghostblade needs to go to melee only and MF's ultimate needs a small nerf to it.

Malignant VemiraAug 7, 20161 votes

Ok, now wheres you're life steal, and wave clear? On a passive when you're at 30% hp on a squishy ass all in champ? That's what you don't get. Keep crying. You want to do damage with autos? Too bad, you can't afford to waste a slot on AS.

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

The amount of dumb in your comment is through the roof. Lifesteal and waveclear? item 3074 The rest of your comment is incredibly confusing to read.

Malignant VemiraAug 7, 20161 votes

Yeah, I forgot about Hydras super secret hidden 20 armor pen passive, oh dont forget the active hidden passive that reduces armor by 50%.

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

You said that there was no waveclear or life steal in the item set, so i gave you an item for waveclear and lifesteal. Get yomous, boots, ravenous hydra, BC or a last whisper item and throw a tank item on at the end and you are generally good to go.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 7, 20161 votes

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really sacrificing a lot

i could of sworn i seen more then one thread on these boards about how its a tank meta and tanks are overpowered? and now we have a tank player saying the armor pen is too much. hmm then we get threads bitching about how supports are too strong . sounds like once big circle jerk of bitching going on.

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

Those people are usually complaining about a juggernaut or claiming that a maokai one shot them. A tank player? My dear friend, my top 3 are ap squishies. If you look me up on op.gg or something, those trundle games are from just under a year ago.

WHO IS SAYING THAT SUPPORTS ARE TOO STRONG?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 7, 20161 votes

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Those people are usually complaining about a juggernaut or claiming that a maokai one shot them. A tank player? My dear friend, my top 3 are ap squishies. If you look me up on op.gg or something, those trundle games are from just under a year ago.

WHO IS SAYING THAT SUPPORTS ARE TOO STRONG?

have you not seen the thread after thread of how sona is broken? people are crying over her

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

dude. she was at a 58% win rate. She had to be hotfixed she was so broken. Of course people were complaining about her.

darkestkhanAug 5, 20166 votes

Much investment and sacrifice ? item 3071 + item 3033 - and you can proceed to kill tanks quickly and efficiently.

Malignant VemiraAug 7, 20161 votes

If you're buying item 3033 for tanks, instead of item 3036 , you have no say.

darkestkhanAug 7, 20162 votes

Depends on the tank actually. You should get mortal reminder vs voli, mundo and nasus.

Malignant VemiraAug 7, 20161 votes

You're doing it wrong.

invisiblecat1Aug 5, 20164 votes

This is really a problem just getting maw youmuus and duskblade on any ad burst champion and you ignore so much armor that you have to get armor or else they do true damage

Dunkrius2gAug 6, 20161 votes

and you ignore so much armor that you have to get armor or else they do true damage

On squishy champs*. That is only 40 flat armor pen outside of runes and masteries. ANd even then, Squishy champs have decent base armor to not get to the point that you'll deal "listed on skill" damage.

To ensure that you do "listed on skill" damage, you need to have 19 armor pen from runes, the armor pen mastery, and build item 3142 item 3156 item 3147 .

Items provide 40 flat armor pen.

Mastery provides 8.4*

Runes provide 19 so you can achieve atleast 67.4 and a maximum of 77.4 at level 18.

FortisDominusAug 6, 20163 votes

Flat armor pen is not for killing tanks, its for blowing up squishies. so item 3142 item 3156 item 3147 are not used to kill tanks.

If they popped you then they must have had a item 3071 or item 3036

BloodyTomponAug 6, 20161 votes

Flat pen still amplifies damage a lot.

FortisDominusAug 6, 20162 votes

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Flat pen still amplifies damage a lot.

no it doesnt..

if the enemy garen bought a item 3143 and item 3068

and I have 20 armor pen from item 3142 , then 120 armor becomes 100. It does not "amplify damage by alot".

BloodyTomponAug 7, 20161 votes

It's not enough to burst a tank, but the damage increase is significant. Point for point, penetration reduces the amount of pre-mitigation damage required to kill by 1%. 120 armour gives 120% Effective HP and 20 pen brings it down to 100% EHP.

That does eventually work out to be less than 50% reduction in bonus armour, but either way the increase is pretty substantial.

FortisDominusAug 7, 20161 votes

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It's not enough to burst a tank, but the damage increase is significant. Point for point, penetration reduces the amount of pre-mitigation damage required to kill by 1%. 120 armour gives 120% Effective HP and 20 pen brings it down to 100% EHP.

That does eventually work out to be less than 50% reduction in bonus armour, but either way the increase is pretty substantial.

so the 20 extra armor thats worth about as much as a cloth armor makes a big difference? please man stop. Flat armor pen is not good against tanks.

That extra 20 armor pen is doing nothing

LarryAug 6, 20162 votes

Have you tried building HP as well? I mean, armor can be good but if they have arpen then your health pool might be really low (a good example is frozen heart, it doesnt give you any HP so you are vulnerable to arpen/true damage/m.damage. Whereas Omen's could be usefull even against ap, since you have a bigger health pool to keep you alive.

NineTailedMysticAug 6, 20161 votes

While this is true, every point of a resistance is 1% extra HP in effective HP. So when they're shredding your armor and then having flat pen on top of it, they're killing your effective HP against physical damage. By a lot.

FriusAug 5, 20161 votes

you are tank like this item 3748 item 3071 item 3053 ? then no wonder

KnoyleAug 5, 20164 votes

Bruiser/Juggernaut items? If I build item 3110 item 3742 item 3068 It feels bad when I still get melted by Ashe

Dunkrius2gAug 6, 20161 votes

You silly! You gotta go item 3143 x5 and item 3047 to be safe from that Asshe

JafarThePandaAug 7, 20161 votes

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Bruiser/Juggernaut items? If I build It feels bad when I still get melted by

Or you know, being Rammus building item 3110 item 3075 item 3143 and still getting melted with +25 armor runes and scaling MR

Varus VindicatorAug 5, 20161 votes

flat pen, no. %Pen, Yes.

BakedLotionAug 6, 20161 votes

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flat pen, no. %Pen, Yes.

Mages have void staff , sorc shoes, and liandrys and thats it. Armor pen has not only a shit ton of flat but also two %

Varus VindicatorAug 8, 20161 votes

he's not compairing APs to ADs. he's saying that ADs kill Tanks too fast. building flat pen to deal with a tank dosn't work. %pen destroys tankes. and i already said above that the %pen is too much.

also, wits end, abylas scepter.

Savage WinterAug 6, 20161 votes

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I dunno. I'm just tired of getting popped instantly as a tank

Its probably because you have no magic resistance.

MarshbouyAug 6, 20162 votes

yep. AD yasuo and shaco sure do a lot of magic damage

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 7, 20161 votes

a tank is there to survive and soak up a wave of damage , not to take damage for 30 seconds and not die. tanks get beat by sustained damage dealers. for example ADCS where as ADCS are beat by burst and TANKS tank burst damage.