Instead of asking why MF's Grevious Wounds was removed...

Hellioning··6 votes·786 views

We should be asking why it's still in the game at all. It's an incredibly binary system that both feels bad for everyone involved and is bad for the game.

If healing and sustain are balanced around the idea that GW is applied: If GW is applied, it is working as intended and everything is fine. If GW is not applied, then they are healing for far more than can be done to them, and your team can only beg your AP/support to buy Morello's.

If healing and sustain is balanced around GW not being applied: If GW is not applied, it is working as intended and everything is fine. If GW is applied, than you have a bunch of really sad Vladmir/Mundo/Soraka players who just got countered by a 2300 gold item.

It's probably time to straight up remove GW. It doesn't provide any meaningful gameplay for most champions (except maybe for Mundo?) and is a product of a bygone era, where healing was more common and GW was on more things.

(I also feel the same way about armor/mr pen, especially % armor/mr pen, but that's so ingrained in the game that it's gonna be impossible to remove barring massive changes. GW is already almost out the door, anyway.)

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IcyPepper1 votes

I'm still wondering why Katarina has it...

She's the last champion who needs it.

Hellioning1 votes

That's a good question! She only has it on her ult because she used to have it with Killer Instincts, so when they removed that spell they wanted to keep the GW on her kit. The real question is why.

Darth Pixy Misa1 votes

With the buffs to item 3065 Mf needs GW now more than ever. imagine Vlad or Soraka with that item...

Hellioning2 votes

It's not like Vlad wasn't going to already get SV already. And Soraka's still probably not gonna get SV; on a support budget, it's a lot of selfish power, and it raises her heal's health cost.

IcyPepper2 votes

it's a lot of selfish power, and it raises her heal's health cost.

Tbf, it'll boost her healing by 20%, both her W and her Q. The magic resist, health regen, and cdr is useful as well. If she gets warmogs with it (which some Sorakas do), she'll have a spammable, stronger heal that comes with some durability AP items don't always offer (Athenes comes to mind, but I think SV adds more to the healing overall if you're not going full AP).

I'd say it's decent for a non-AP Soraka build, like item 3069 item 2049 item 3065 item 3083 item 3110 boots

CrazedPorcupine3 votes

.... Spirit visage only increases healing RECEIVED, not healing GIVEN. This means that people who BUY SV get healed MORE from Soraka's W...

This doesn't buff soraka's heal at all on other targets if soraka is the one who bought it.

IcyPepper2 votes

Yeah, I'm guessing you didn't read this comment chain at all and realize that we're talking about Patch 5.13 notes change to Spirit Visage.

Here's the link.

Please, prove me wrong. I'd love to hear more about how wrong I am. The change for Spirit Visage even has a subtitle "Pretty huge buff to Soraka."

Please, read the notes and get back to me, hopefully with less ellipses without a proper fact check.

Or maybe I need a fact check.

The wording is confusing me, on second thought. I hail from Washington, all of our horses are high, so forgive me.

SaltyKracka2 votes

Yeah, I'm guessing you don't know how to read at all. The ways it'll buff her healing are this.

A: Increase Q self-healing if Soraka builds it.

But the health is a significant portion of the gold, and it's not exactly a cheap item on a support budget.

B: Increase Soraka's W healing on targets who have built it.

IcyPepper1 votes

Goddammit, I might be wrong.

Wish they had put "from all sources" to the end of that if that's the case. Little subtitle "Big buff to Soraka" made me think...

Well, shit. Of course they wouldn't buff Soraka's healing from her building it.

CrazedPorcupine1 votes

Just pushing that healer synergy a little harder. When picking up a Spirit Visage, your thought process can now be "Do I have a great healer?" in addition to, "Do I have great self-healing!?" We're not sure why the second question has an exclamation point.

From the explanation, it's pretty obvious that you buy spirit visage to increase all healing done to you, from all sources.

This buffs soraka in that it makes her healing more potent on individuals that buy it. Imagine ADC with Spirit visage final item with a soraka support. The amount of healing that gives will be nuts. (imagine 400-600 HP heals every 2 seconds)

Trebbi1 votes

I guess only varus has grievous wounds now other than Katarina.

So we might be seeing the total removal of champions with this mechanic soon.

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