Lucian 53% wr with 34% pick rate/21% ban rate

Rexxiee·Jun 13, 2018·14 votes·5,117 views

Here we go again boys, the worse thing is that crit adcs are absolutely dumpster so even if you nerf him they'll still be trash, the only thing that happens is that adcs will dissapear from the game if you nerf lucian, but he does need nerfs.

We went from almost every adc being viable to this, what a great sequence of patches riot, dont mind champs like trist being at 44% wr tho LOL, while lucian has those absurd stats, those champs are actually on the same game, how sad.

34 Comments

big boi edriJun 13, 20188 votes

Hes not OP hes just one of the only viable options for an ADC right now.

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Again nothing changed on him nor in game so your right now opinion is not correct

big boi edriJun 13, 20181 votes

What do you mean nothing changed? Did you miss the patch notes for 8.11?

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Had nothing to do with luc soooo again nothing changed .

big boi edriJun 13, 20182 votes

It doesn't have to directly involve Lucian to change things (save for the BOTRK buff, that did). Crit changes, tanks falling out of favor, etc. The meta shifted into Lucian's favor.

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20182 votes

Crit is actually better now. Stats i gain 100% crit with 2 crit items with ie vs what 60% with ie and sure your losing the 50% bonus damage to crit but its getting replaced by 15% true damage so thats fair ignoring healing shields and armor is good. But it does because people make it that way and blade had nothing to do with luc either because yah cool you make your pasdive do a little more damage..... But triforce was and is always been better on him

Leto GTJun 13, 20184 votes

He snowballs really, really, really hard.

D357R0Y3RJun 13, 20183 votes

nerf his base AD by 3 and his AD/lvl by 0.5

also he doesn't have 53% win rate

Daddy AntsJun 13, 20181 votes

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nerf his base AD by 3 and his AD/lvl by 0.5

also he doesn't have 53% win rate

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Lucian/

Ban Rate raising daily as well.

Also if we compare him to actual marksmen, not the gimmick bruisers that are invading the lane then there are only 2 ADC's who STATISTICALLY have a decent win rate vs Lucian.

Draven MissFortune

D357R0Y3RJun 13, 20181 votes

Did you see Deft crushing Lucian as Ashe today? There is no fucking way Lucian does anything against Ashe in lane, he gets poked non stop and if he tries to engage he can't disengage anymore against her slow, they were forced to gank bot as 4 or 5 people non stop so lucian doesn't lose lane

and I say that as both an Ashe and Lucian main

beside, I think if you nerf his base AD and AD/lvl he will be fine, give him 58 base AD and 106 AD at lvl 18 and it will balance him Base AD nerf reduces his DPS, burst, CSing, and sustain from BORK

remakoroJun 13, 20183 votes

Guess why? Cuz we are playing league of oneshots and actual ADCs that gonna deal reliable dmg over time with AAs like AD trist have no place here.

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20181 votes

Except trist e's q autos 3 times in 1 second walks away and kills you while chunking anyone around you.

EedatJun 13, 20182 votes

Where do you see a 53% winrate?

RexxieeJun 13, 20182 votes

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Where do you see a 53% winrate?

lolalytics

his current patch wr is fluctating between 52.5% and 53%, with that much pick and ban rate (that will probably increase even more).

Those stats are absurd.

HügöJun 13, 20181 votes

You phrashed the one sentence wrong, let me correct it for you: "We went from alomost every adc was mandatory"

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Here is my question nothing changed on him nor in game soooo why are people compl about luc. What he gets a item that became weaker on him and stronger on some essence reaver was actually nerfed and isnt really effective in him. Why what it has 20% cdr and a passive that requires him yo ult just to cancel it ? Really thats not efficient on him. Ill take the 30% cdr essence reaver and crit version on him thank you very much

xShapoopyJun 13, 20182 votes

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Here is my question nothing changed on him nor in game soooo why are people compl about luc. What he gets a item that became weaker on him and stronger on some essence reaver was actually nerfed and isnt really effective in him. Why what it has 20% cdr and a passive that requires him yo ult just to cancel it ? Really thats not efficient on him. Ill take the 30% cdr essence reaver and crit version on him thank you very much

Uhh.. Essence Reaver is ridiculously good on Lucian.. You don’t have to cancel your ult to utilize the passive. The passive doesn’t start until you basic attack someone after you have used your ult. Then you get a whopping 8 seconds with 30% attack speed and 20% cd reduction on EACH auto attack. With Lucian’s passive of auto attacking twice after each ability, that’s HUGE. Lucian’s E cooldown is already reduced by 2 seconds for each passive auto attack, so combined with Essence Reaver, your E is up every ~2 seconds. I fail to see how people think nothing changed with him.

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Umm it was better before and you have 10 sec after you ulted just like tf pick a card. I fail to how people think 20% cdr with out crit and a condition is better then 30% cdr with crit?

Jon 678910Jun 13, 20181 votes

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Umm it was better before and you have 10 sec after you ulted just like tf pick a card. I fail to how people think 20% cdr with out crit and a condition is better then 30% cdr with crit?

The stats don't even matter in this case. The selling point of the item is the unique passive. I'd go ahead and describe why it's good for him, but the person you responded to already did a great job.

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Umm stats are everything. 30% flat with crit amd 0 conditions on it versus 20% with out crit and having to not only ult but ult cancel

Jon 678910Jun 13, 20181 votes

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Umm stats are everything. 30% flat with crit amd 0 conditions on it versus 20% with out crit and having to not only ult but ult cancel

You don't have to ult cancel. You would know that if you read the response to your post.

KlydeFrogJun 13, 20181 votes

Umm yah you do there champ. Ashe and varus vs luc big difference you have to cancel his ult bevause his ult is a channeled damage hence cancel it. Take sivir for inatance nondamge ult . essence reaver is mire efficient on her. Its not efficient on him facts stats on items dont lie

Jon 678910Jun 14, 20181 votes

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Umm yah you do there champ. Ashe and varus vs luc big difference you have to cancel his ult bevause his ult is a channeled damage hence cancel it. Take sivir for inatance nondamge ult . essence reaver is mire efficient on her. Its not efficient on him facts stats on items dont lie

It activates at the end of your channel.

KlydeFrogJun 14, 20181 votes

Again your really going to ult cancel just to proc it? Lets look at people its better on . varus ult cc ashe ult cc sivir ult that doesnt damage and is a active not a channel. Corki he has no ult restrictions twitch is a aa buff . all more efficient then luc. Old essence reaver was a 30% cdr shyt 40 if you took transcendence how are you going to argue that its "op" on luc ....and sont tell me its better because or meta because did any of you mofos ever get it on hi

Jon 678910Jun 15, 20181 votes

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Again your really going to ult cancel just to proc it? Lets look at people its better on . varus ult cc ashe ult cc sivir ult that doesnt damage and is a active not a channel. Corki he has no ult restrictions twitch is a aa buff . all more efficient then luc. Old essence reaver was a 30% cdr shyt 40 if you took transcendence how are you going to argue that its "op" on luc ....and sont tell me its better because or meta because did any of you mofos ever get it on hi

Just fucking stop. It will activate at the end of your ultimate, but it seem you just can't read. I'd bother typing out why it's strong, but someone already did and you're just acting like an idiot at this point.

xShapoopyJun 18, 20181 votes

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Again your really going to ult cancel just to proc it? Lets look at people its better on . varus ult cc ashe ult cc sivir ult that doesnt damage and is a active not a channel. Corki he has no ult restrictions twitch is a aa buff . all more efficient then luc. Old essence reaver was a 30% cdr shyt 40 if you took transcendence how are you going to argue that its "op" on luc ....and sont tell me its better because or meta because did any of you mofos ever get it on hi

Like I already explained to you, you don't have to cancel his ult. The passive doesn't start until you use an auto attack AFTER you ult. Meaning you can use his whole ult and then auto attack a champion to start the Essence Reaver passive. Then to your point of 20% cdr vs 30%. You're comparing 30% FLAT cdr to a 20% cdr that gets applied EVERY TIME YOU AUTO ATTACK. Meaning if you auto 4 times, you just netted 80% cdr. On Lucian autoing 4 times can happen in under 1 second with his lightslinger passive.

Not having crit, I'll give to you. But I'll take those cooldowns on lucian over crit any day. You can get a full set of ability rotations off on him about 4 times in that 8 seconds. Which is a stupid amount of damage.

With ER passive and 40% cdr it will look like this : ult > lightslinger > e > lightslinger > q > slightslinger > e (it's already back up) > lightslinger > w > lightslinger > e (hey it's up AGAIN) > lightslinger

Rinse and repeat that combo for the full 8 seconds that the ER passive gives you. If you can't see how amazing that is, then I don't know how else to explain it lol

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20181 votes

Except it didnt have 30% flat cd it had 30% conditional cd much like how you are argueing that the conditional passive is conditional

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20181 votes

Nothing changed on him but what did change is other broken things around him went down while his strength stayed the same(Except all adcs got adc and health buffs.)

My Waifu VanillaJun 13, 20181 votes

Lucian isn't the problem. It's his competition being worse than he was. Before everyone got nerfed Lucian was considered a troll pick because of how garbage his stats are. He has been nerfed SO many times. It's the fact that his competition is EVEN WORSE is the problem. Also, the base stat nerf across the board to ADCs makes early game ones better meaning Lucian can actually stick damage on his all ins instead of it getting healed back by fleet and potions/health regen.

Dasdi96Jun 13, 20181 votes

This is what is known as "the lucian bar" Whenever lucian is a meta pick for bot lane, the only viable bot laners are champions that can deal with lucian, which is very shallow.

Noor SakataJun 13, 20181 votes

He doesn't need nerfs , he is okay , the others are just weak

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20181 votes

Crit adcs are ntot dumpstered Riot just buffed adcs while only nerfing one of their builds while all of their builds are broken and so are the champions themselves in relation to every other class that isn't adc and some mages

VvVVvVJun 14, 20181 votes

BabyRage......people are never happy

BrıtneyJun 15, 20181 votes

Yeah, lets just give a champion, that RELIES ON HIS AUTO ATTACKS....... TWO OF THEM... and dashes you can virtually spam because of how easy it is to reset it its cooldown cause you have a MOVEMENT SPEED BUFF ON A SUPER HYPER MOBILE ADC WITH TWO AUTO ATTACKS. Lets not forget how easy it is to burst you level 2/3/6 and literally the rest of the game until 45+mins when crit becomes impactful. Oh, nerf cait and kalista tho.