Destroyed kog early, but nvm he got rageblade botrk so now you all die. Too bad misfits didn't end game before 15 mins amirite. Bonus is the another adc mid lucian. So they had 2 tanks 2 adcs and an enchanger. Really fun game.
Sasogwa30 votesAnd the adc Lucian mid's damage was absolutely disgusting. Destroying a Cass with zhonya while not having the slightest amount of magic resist. Looks like they should butcher every adc, and/or their whole itemization.
Hexs Fortune33 votesAnd the adc Lucian mid's damage was absolutely disgusting. Destroying a Cass with zhonya while not having the slightest amount of magic resist. Looks like they should butcher every adc, and/or their whole itemization.
Think about what you just said.
One adc was strong, so they should butcher every adc and their whole itemization?
Cowseed4 votesThere itemization is strong, though.
lojician10 votesYeah it wasn't fair. In reality every adc is strong as soon as they hit a single item while still facerolling anything else 1v1 in lane (or jungle). That's why they should all receive nerfs to early game. And adcs can 4v2 the other team's non adc characters late. That's why their itemization should be gutted.
Barcid1 votesWhen Riot does that, they need to remove Bramble Vest's innate grievous wounds. It's fine if they really want to leave it on Thorn Mail (or at least we can play it by ear if it has to go), but right now Bramble's literally only acceptable because it conks out ADC's immediate spike until they can do enough damage and sustain enough to overcome it.
Like, hurray I have an item to counter AD's. But holy shit I'm building it and can easily see I immediately become oppressive to any auto attacker for a measly 1000 gold. Having it stay this way after gutting ADC's itemization would leave them trashed to oblivion, and even if they're abusive and infuriating right now... I'm sorry, but I really don't want to see an entire class utterly worthless no matter how much people may hate it. ADC's aren't Yasuo, damn it. They're a product of the game's base mechanics, not a product of mentally disturbed people wishing anguish on other people and bringing forth pure evil onto this world just because they enjoy it. THEY'RE NOT YASUO MAINS.
Penns13 votesLiterally every adc is strong. Cait Vayne were out of meta, then they go buffed now they are both op again lul
Sasogwa6 votes[{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JAE9EiUA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-14T11:27:54.098+0000)
Think about what you just said.
One adc was strong, so they should butcher every adc and their whole itemization?
No, what was implied is that Lucian despite looking overpowered is not even close to being good in the botlane compared to things like xayah, kog, Kalista? (whoch I didn't see played but Dat 100% banrate), tristana. I guess he's a better sololaner but still. (and there's corki too). So if an adc that is weaker than others looks overpowered, probably the whole class is busted. Yes I know I am biased, since I hate this meta and I hate adcs. i won't deny it. The point still stands. Adc's seem (to me at least) overpowered as a whole.
RainbowIcee7 votesI bet TSM can lose with kog & lulu on their side. I haven't seen worlds but i always knew TSM was awful vs the other teams.
LordRedStone Nr16 votesTwitch / Janna though
Devilreaper XIII5 voteslulu has an overloaded kit and needs a rework or nerfing, or at least some ability removals! .-.
A Bepi2 votesLulu isnt the problem, its 
and we see her and janna being picked mostly because they have the best sync with the item and is also a problem because it gives adc more free stats. If anything needs nerfing its and adc.
Thilmer5 votesAnyone still saying that "mages are important in the meta" explain this kind of bullshit to me, please. [sg-lux-2]
You see the same team compositions in Bronze and in the World Championship; something is very unbalance here...
chipndip12 votesRyze was banned 12 times and picked 20 times.
Syndra 21 bans and 18 picks.
Cass has 15 bans and 8 picks
Mages are still a factor. People occasionally pick Lucian mid sometimes (11 bans and 5 picks). If anything, marksmen going mid and leaving bot alone means we have room for more marksmen to be viable at one time than just 3 to 4, which increases diversity in that class, which is a good thing. If EVERY marksman is fighting for viability in one lane, it decreases variety between them all as they fight among themselves.
The real issue this worlds is:
Lulu, with 10 bans and 31 picks
and
Janna, with 12 bans and 29 picks
THAT'S the real issue. Outside of Rakan, most other supports get barely any play AND lose when they do get rare play. Thresh is basically the outlier here, winning his only match in the tourney.
PrinceOfStorms4 votesYet Cass can be ahead and the ADC who is behind will still contribute more. Mages are a factor, but are insignificant compared to how completely and utterly busted (as busted as pre-nerf Olaf) ADCs are.
People don't ban ADCs because all of them play more or less the same, so banning one doesn't prevent the enemy team from abusing them.
chipndip11 votesIt's less about ADCs being busted than it is about Ardent/Coin being busted in 7.18 and Riot not realizing this for months.
And banning Lucian/Corki is significantly different from banning a bot lane marksman. If it's a bot lane marksman, you're right, but a mid lane marksman is a different deal, since they're played for different reasons.
Snowplosion5 votesDude, Janna was the best support in Groups by far. I didn't matter what the other two other bot lanes were. Janna nearly guaranteed the instant win.
Meriipu2 votestfw the one game you get looloo top + janna/kog bot the enemy actually manages to end before 15
Nevrankroaton2 votesI am someone who doesn't whine about the current meta (despite not liking it) but I agree on this one. Kogmaw is truly a problem, and with lulu, it really become a ticking bomb that you can't solve in time.
Il Conte Eiacula2 votesAs long as there are champions out there that are "win the game in 15 minutes or it's lost" we can't complain much, why riot shouldn't address them and gut them, that's the mistery
The Cane Master1 votesOr 
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Thefrostyviking1 votesC9 absolutely smashed a kog+lulu in a 25+ something game though.
Cloud2731 votesJanna Twitch is better
Liveey1 votes
R.I.P
I shall forever look at you as the only adc that doesnt seem viable at anytime or any place regardless of how good your items can be.
Iręlía1 votes
R.I.P
I shall forever look at you as the only adc that doesnt seem viable at anytime or any place regardless of how good your items can be.
Why is that? I've seen her pull off some disgusting lethality dmg.
Liveey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Q The Keg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JAE9EiUA,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2017-10-15T02:08:50.186+0000)
Why is that? I've seen her pull off some disgusting lethality dmg.
I dont particularly see her often tbh nor do I find she does as well as many other adcs after 2ish items. ;-; although I really like quinn myself.
Elkington VI1 votesShe's more of a ranged assassin/fighter than an ADC honestly.
Liveey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Elkington VI,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JAE9EiUA,comment-id=000c000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-15T07:48:12.734+0000)
She's more of a ranged assassin/fighter than an ADC honestly.
True, guess she isnt really played much in my elo :3 however Im sure ill see her eventually
Blåbæret1 votesBecause she doesn't have sustained burst and has low range AND is useless in team fights?
Lmao. Quinn is practically the only balanced marksman.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesIn Worlds thus far:
Lulu has a 41% win rate over 22 games. Kog'Maw has a 45% win rate over 11 games.
Automated Riven1 voteshow many of those were lulu kog tho?
NodirjonSattarov1 votesOnly 5 of the 11 games were Kog x Lulu.
EGD vs AHQ - loss AHQ vs C9 - loss GAM vs IMT - loss LZ vs FNTC - win MSF vs TWE - win
Automated Riven1 votesThat would suggest that kog lulu is not super OP
xelaker1 votes[{quoted}](name=tough noogies,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JAE9EiUA,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-14T09:50:30.271+0000)
Destroyed kog early, but nvm he got rageblade botrk so now you all die. Too bad misfits didn't end game before 15 mins amirite. Bonus is the another adc mid lucian. So they had 2 tanks 2 adcs and an enchanger. Really fun game.
C9 lost with kog/janna, hell they got their shit pushed in.
Ungrateful Thug1 votesA R D E N T C E N S O R M E T A B O Y S
ValyrianBlade1 votesI just find it funny how we're in a meta where ADCs are allegedly dominating, and Ardent Censer rush is necessary on supports in order to further power up those ADCs, and yet the most popular mid laners are... Syndra, Ryze, and Cassio?
Like, Syndra makes some sense since she can press R and delete the ADC. Ryze and Cassio make no sense at all though. Those are sustained damage mages, except everyone is building their team around an ADC + Ardent Censer so why would they be any better than a Lucian mid?
I was expecting the pros to bring out a bunch of assassins. There's a reason LeBlanc is doing well (75% win rate, only loss against SKT). Where are the other assassin picks? Zed, Talon, Akali, (I would say Ahri but after her nerfs there's no way she's seeing pro play). These champions are pretty good at blowing up an ADC before their team can help them and in this meta that's pretty much an auto-won teamfight. Then I also want to know where are the long-range mages like Lux? Excellent at blowing up an ADC if she lands a single Q on them (or any ally lands CC). Where are Anivia, Ziggs, Jayce, Annie, Twisted Fate, Ekko? There are just so many champions in the mid lane that excel at taking down ADCs and we're seeing Ryze and Cassio? I just don't get it.
Galio makes a lot of sense since he's absurdly OP right now and is yet another tank that can peel his ADC / engage on the other one, while keeping up in any lane matchup.
On to the jungle - there's a reason Kha'zix is 3-0, and it's not just because he's been picked only by the highly favored team in all his matches. Again, he's someone that can burst an ADC down reliably. If you're not going to go with a true tank jungler (Sej, Gragas, Zac, maybe Maokai?) I think J4 (for the obvious reasons) and Kha'zix should be the top picks - not rek'sai and ezreal.
I'm just surprised that teams aren't trying something different to cut out the enemy's ADC. Ryze and Cassio are not the answers, there are many mid laners that can lane and waveclear just as well or better and are also MUCH better at helping take out ADCs. Pick something that assassinates them (like Zed) or something that outranges them and can push them out of a fight before it even starts (like Ziggs). At least try.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesOnly 5 of the 11 games were Kog x Lulu.
EGD vs AHQ - loss AHQ vs C9 - loss GAM vs IMT - loss LZ vs FNTC - win MSF vs TWE - win
Your statement isn't supported by fact. Only by emotion and frustration.
edit: the team vs team isn't formatted to where the former is the winner of the match
