Opens opgg, checks statistics, pick ratio per game, hmmmmmm, 1. jhin 45% pick rate, 2. varus 30%, 3. MF 25%, then there are lee and thresh and then again 3 adc's in a row. Wow, adc's are really having a rough time right, nobody is picking the poor things. I can't stand that stupid shit anymore, someone kills an ad carry, oh well that's cuz the role is garbage. Even when adc kills another adc, oh well "adc in 2k17".
Kaioko30 votesLethality abusers are fine so that's 3 ADCs viable out of 19. No one is complaining about them other than asking for nerfs. We're complaining that it's a joke to play the other 16.
Big Lincoln23 votesso 
are suddenly shit now even though 2 patches ago everyone was clamoring for draven and cait nerfs?
http://lolalytics.com/grid/ click the ADC tab, nobody except for Kalista seems to be doing genuinely badly; even the allegedly gutted Lucian maintains an 11% pick rate despite apparently being so horrible he might as well be a troll pick.
Kaioko10 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J2RpQouY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-02-21T19:48:33.576+0000)
so
http://lolalytics.com/grid/ click the ADC tab, nobody except for Kalista seems to be doing genuinely badly; even the allegedly gutted Lucian maintains an 11% pick rate despite apparently being so horrible he might as well be a troll pick.
I'm sorry but comparing ADCs by win rate is borderline stupid. You have one ADC (if you include Ziggs) on each team in every game. Fact of the matter, their win rate is going to approach 50% since they will always keep each other balanced (if you have one ADC on each time one of them is bound to win).
This doesn't change the fact that unless you're a caster ADC that can scale well by the 10 minute mark -- your impact in the game is almost irrelevant. I use to main Jinx and playing her right now is an absolute joke in fact that whole lane is.
Slythion18 votesDid you honestly just discredit the patch that broke lethality? You really don't think that when lethality got overtuned, it didn't change the game or meta at all? Really?
Big Lincoln3 votesDid you honestly just
No, mr redditor
but "not game breaking" does not correlate to "complete trash plz buff"
Slythion15 votesI've actually never been on reddit, true story ;p
but it's important to keep in mind that when you only have 3 viable adcs being played in nearly 100% of games, every other adc is trash in comparison. A champion's power is only relative to others of its kind, and with lethality being broken, the only viable adcs were ones that could abuse lethality and stay far away from fights.
There are literally only 3 adcs with a significant playrate (4 if you think a 4% play rate is "significant") that have a >50% win rate. That suggest that the class is in an unhealthy state were any other adc literally can't be played
LankPants2 votesCan we not pretend Ashe doesn't have problems? She's a garbage pickup in solo queue and an utterly broken competitive champ. Riot needs to take some time to look at her.
Jihyobda1 votesIf they rearrange her power budget from her ulti to her q that would be great indeed ;)
LankPants2 votesI don't know if power should really be took off Ashe's R, maybe you could take some damage off but I think the stun is too iconic to fuck around with too much, and that is the main thing her R is about.
I think if you're going to shift some power out of her kit her E and her base slows are a good place to start. The very first thing I'd do is look to revert the 6.20 changes to Q and passive, since Ashe seemed to be in an OK place before them.
B0OM2 votesI want them to revert the preseason 5 changes that added the "critical slow" mechanic to her passive and removed the enhanced slow from her Q. They made that change because she was otherwise broken with Warlord's Bloodlust at the time since it syngergized with crit, and the change made her passive do guaranteed "bonus damage" instead of guaranteed "critical strikes". Now, though, there's no reason to keep it how it is, and I'd love to have more agency over my enhanced slows when playing Ashe. More distinct windows of power, too.
LankPants1 votesThat's all very true too.
NineTailedMystic1 votesThey also wanted to remove her passive for different reasons. Such as how it rewarded an ADC for... not attacking.
LankPants1 votesHe's talking about the minor changes Riot did to Ashe in preseason 6 (not 5). This was after her initial rework.
Her slow used to be consistent based off of her level and had a bonus when Q was active. Now it's based off of a crit system. But in both cases we're talking about passive slow and flurry E, not Q slow and passive crit.
Jihyobda1 votesI mean, if they took off only the scaling over distance covered and make the stun a flat duration with less damage they can probably make the Q need less stack and remove the critical slow and give her actual crits ^^
LankPants1 votesI mean, if they took off only the scaling over distance covered and make the stun a flat duration
That's more powerful than her current arrow. If it was just a flat ~2 second stun you just use it to disengage people off of you and peel for yourself almost every time.
Could not care1 votesCan we not pretend Ashe doesn't have problems? She's a garbage pickup in solo queue and an utterly broken competitive champ. Riot needs to take some time to look at her.
is the budget 
, and while Varus may not be picked for some reasons, any LCS team will go for either of those. I don't see how she's broken considering that she's full utility and is used simply as a cc bot.
Jihyobda1 votes
that's mainly the problem, all her powerbudget is taken by her ulti... seju is getting reworked for the same reason, so probably ashe could use some mini changes as well
2Charmnot2Charm2 votessuddenly shit now even though 2 patches ago
Gee maybe it's because of the Lethality buffs [zombie-brand-facepalm]
singiel386 votes
MissingKayo11 votesDraven had no lifesteal or armorpen. His fault.
singiel383 votesIn actual meta, adc needs to stack crits, AS and AD. BT meta expired. If you say that he needed LS, rush it on adc and tell us your result. Armorpen don't give enough dmg, tank still will outdmg adc.
Ralanr8 votesAnd to fight tanks you actually need to get specific items to hurt them. Draven did not get those items.
singiel383 votesSuch as?
Ralanr8 votesBasically LW into LDR and a shit ton of damage.
singiel384 votesI don't think so. Tanks have many items with dmg passives such as 
and even with 
they'll outdamage adc easily.
MissingKayo13 votesIf you actually think tanks will ever outdamage an ADC, please just leave.
Silmaril3 votesI think his point is that, in a 1v1, tanks will out-stat-check an ADC the vast majority of the time, not that tanks literally do more damage than them.
Ralanr5 votesThe same can be true for the opposite depending on who has what honestly. Though of an adc is literally facetanking a tank then they deserve to die.
MissingKayo5 votesThat's the point. Tanks should be able to. ADCs aren't supposed to be 1v1ers.
Silmaril3 votesTanks aren't supposed to be 1v1ers either.
MissingKayo3 votesAgainst an ADC, they can.
HR Cephei4 votesBut when they do less damage than tanks even in 5v5 before every got full items, something is off.
Ralanr1 votes[{quoted}](name=HR Cephei,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J2RpQouY,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2017-02-21T20:40:44.574+0000)
But when they do less damage than tanks even in 5v5 before every got full items, something is off.
ADCs have pretty much been known to be bad before they get their fourth item though.
MissingKayo5 votesTanks have higher base damage because they don't scale. ADCs are meant to scale. No, it's not off.
Penns2 votesHe didnt straight up 1v1 her, he kited her perfectly and got like 25 autos at least. His job in mid game fights is to kill the tank while staying safe... how exactly is he supposed to do that when he cant even damage the Poppy with 1 armor item after getting ahead in lane?
Hahahahyena1 votesarmor pen... ????? what kind of question is this? plus theres also lethality making it almost impossible to tank nowadays
Penns1 votesHe cant get armor pen before at least 4 other items. And there isnt much to penetrate when the only item she has is Sunfire, didnt even have Ninja Tabi lol.
Hahahahyena2 votesnot anyone's problem but his to make it work. if he cant make it work then he cant make it work. in a game like this you should either A)want to win lane and hope mid/late game go okay) or B) buy early pen items for tanks and hope to win mid/late game by shredding tanks) and once more, lethality shreds tanks without a doubt and they all work with draven so i dont really see why youre still trying to think draven is losing out on damage
MissingKayo2 votesTBF, Poppy was OP in that patch too.
Penns2 votesThe first clip is actually pretty good at showing why adcs are bad. Draven cant get a LW that early and Poppy only has 1 armor item regardless. LDR wouldve given him like 30 armor pen there lol.
Sahn Uzal5 votesHow many patches ago was this? 2? 3? atleast.
Irrelevant Footage.
LordKentravyon2 votesWatch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcxRRxE99_4
and read this http://www.lolking.net/news/the-current-issues-with-the-adc-role
Looks like more of a video showing poppy being op
Wolfeur4 votesYou do realize that it actually proves their point? ADC are so weak that they only pick those who are top tier. In a role that would be doing fine, there would be a better pick rate balance.
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