Ok, can we rework Riven so she doesn't revolve around animation cancelling?

Guy Fox Teemo··7 votes·717 views

I think its kinda of a BS mechanic, when your REALLY good at it, Riven is the most OP shit in the game, since she can use her combo so insanely fast you can't even react.

When your not you lose an INSANE amount of power, and become a pretty crappy champion, its also a very difficult mechanic to pull off and is kind of like the Ryze case, where he's shit in basically any average players hands, (even though he's suppose to be a simple champ).

The difference between a good Riven and a decent Riven, is massive, so much so it kind of seems like the Azir case, except on a bit worse level, since managing your soldiers is easier to learn, then these micro managing skills of clicking really fast at the right moment with Riven.

She's not broken, but her kit is the most feast or famine thing in this game, thats been in to long considering she's been out for years.

I know you should feel rewarded for mastering a champion and pulling off awesome plays, but the animation canceling just feels more BS, then an actual out play by the player.

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Mr Broken Wings6 votes

Her kit would be utter trash without the ability to cancel her cast times currently, they would have to hyper buff her and her skill requirement would get lower and you would just get stomped moreoften by this champion. The question is, do you really want to see more riven players and a mechanical less hard champion? No you really dont, trust me. It would be like reworking new fiora into old fiora kitwise and that would be stupid imo. I mean she is currently shit anyway so even if you do that its hard to get a lead in most matchups. Riot nerfed her so hard that you basically need to do all these things to be on the same level like other champions so there is technically no problem.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

How do you know her kit would be utter trash? Thats the point of the rework =___=, to change her kit in a way in which she doesn't need her animation canceling and has other ways of being a good riven then just clicking really fast.

And how is that good? Riot nerfed her so good that if you can't animation cancel which is a difficult and tedious mechanic to master, more often then not. And if you dont use it, your basically shit? How is that any good for the average Riven player? Must everyone have to play 100's of games practicing that one mechanic, just so they can get on a even playing field?

Mr Broken Wings4 votes

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How do you know her kit would be utter trash? Thats the point of the rework =___=, to change her kit in a way in which she doesn't need her animation canceling and has other ways of being a good riven then just clicking really fast.

And how is that good? Riot nerfed her so good that if you can't animation cancel which is a difficult and tedious mechanic to master, more often then not. And if you dont use it, your basically shit? How is that any good for the average Riven player? Must everyone have to play 100's of games practicing that one mechanic, just so they can get on a even playing field?

You know that the aa animationcanceling doesnt even do much? Its 1 aa after a whole combo at most. The thing is people say things like " animation canceling" and dont even know what it is or what it does. No, riven is not incredibly stronger if you mastered that little gimmick. And pressing e and r on the same time for a basic r animation canceling can everybody learn. So no you dont need to practise this 1 little trick because its mostly useless except in a few situations. Most people do it against jungle monsters anyway just for the bragging rights, not because it makes her gameplay a lot stronger. And riot wont change her basic skillset because its one of the best designed skillsets in the game ( as they tried to change her they just gave her an edge bar instead of removing her core identity because its an awesome kit). Basically I just cant stand threads like this because it sounds like she is 100x stronger when you learned how to aa cancel, its NOT such of a big deal how everybody tries to make it, it just looks pretty cool. And no, not everybody has to play 100's of games to learn that champion, this people then just play mechanically less forcing champions like garen darius etc, there are plenty. I mean they are not making lee sin idiot proof either because of people who dont want to learn his kit, so why should they do that with riven?

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

It does make her strong and you know that, your Bias of being a Riven main shows, heavily, it is a necessary mechanic for Riven and to be good at her, it can give you almost a full second less in the timing of your combo when done right, thats huge for a champion who's built around dueling others.

And if so as you claim, that this mechanic doesn't help her greatly, what happened too "Her kit would be utter trash without it" - Mr Broken Wings.

Bias much?

Mr Broken Wings2 votes

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It does make her strong and you know that, your Bias of being a Riven main shows, heavily, it is a necessary mechanic for Riven and to be good at her, it can give you almost a full second less in the timing of your combo when done right, thats huge for a champion who's built around dueling others.

And if so as you claim, that this mechanic doesn't help her greatly, what happened too "Her kit would be utter trash without it" - Mr Broken Wings.

Bias much?

removing her ability to cancel her casttimes would trash her, not the aa animation canceling thing. That are 2 different things, I thought that is obvious, appearently not. "since she can use her combo so insanely fast you can't even react." is where I thought you are talking about the canceling of her w or r cast animation, guess I was wrong here. I cleared that up in my first post. And somehow I am a biased lee main, zed main, akali main, riven main and insert any other champion on which I make a post about, it gets old guys. No I am not biased I am just understanding this champion better then you and try to explain to you why your thread is stupid. You dont even understand what animation canceling is and that there are 2 different versions of it and you still make a thread about how strong and op it is? That makes no sense and I try to explain to you why riot didnt touch either of it. Cast time canceling is needed for her kit to actually work AT ALL ( seriously if riven would need to finish every animation in her kit she would be unplayable) while aa animation canceling made her overnerfed kit somehow viable in professional play and master tier elo + before she got nerfed 20x and adds an interesting extra feature to her kit. I hope you understand it better now why your idea is trash, if not Ill try to get it simpler for you, just let me know!

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

It is necessary for a Riven player to be good, its the difference between a God riven player an average one. If you cannot see that, yes you are Bias'd.

Penns1 votes

To be fair, animation canceling really does a lot for Riven. It makes you do way more damage way faster, gives your enemy less time to counterattack... and it looks cooler.

ShinTwist5 votes

Or we could just give her a small buff so that she's viable, and leave one of the best designs in the entire game alone. Animation cancelling is only a part of her skill cap, and people need to stop playing it up to such a ridiculous extent.

Espy Psyche1 votes

Then why, while they're figuring out how to fix it, can't they Evelynn her like they do with other champions pending a rework?

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Okay is nobody going to point out the fact that it says Managing your Shoulders

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Theres a scientific explanation while people didn't notice it, i forget name of whats its called, that or people are to lazy to point it out.

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