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Laner's, Listen, Please.

Zerenza··4 votes·1,360 views

If you lose in 5 minutes, i'm gonna gank you once, if that gank fails and i die, i'm never ganking you again. If you don't follow me up on that gank, then flame me when i die to your fed laner trying to help you, i'm never ganking you again.

My job is not to win your lane for you, my job is to get objectives and help you win your lane. Your job is to not lose, i don't care whether you stomp the enemy laner, i don't care if your 20-60 CS down, as long as the enemy laner is not fed, i'm happy and i will gank you, i might even camp you if you repeatedly show me that i can rely on you.

Flame me, lose lane, continue to feed and i'm just gonna mute you, pretend like you don't exist and work on everyone else. I don't want to be that jungler that instantly /mute alls because i like pings and i like to hear what you have to say, but sometimes you laner's are so terrible to me.

I hate games where every lane is losing 1v1 or 2v2 and i get flamed by everyone on my team. The reason no one likes to play jungle anymore is because Laner's are the worst about pushing their problems on the jungler, when everyone in the game does that it makes your jungler tilt, show your jungler some love and remember "Don't bite the hand that ganks for you."

Edit: Added a count for the number of Salty laner's who just got called out for being toxic.

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Pxerkza6 votes

it's called deflection from a not so popular game https://i.redd.it/6zeh8jgoh2q01.png

also as a tip never force a gank for a losing lane if they make a good trade you can consider but otherwise you are giving them the ability to:

  1. counter the gank and lose the game
  2. get 1v2d and lose the game
  3. you take the shutdown and now your laner is less behind

if you notice scenarios 1 and 2 are more likely that are awful for you and scenario 3 is ok at best

Zerenza1 votes

Agreed, still doesn't make it right, ever since i started playing jungle i'v had a larger number of experiences with toxic people targeting me.

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That's what i do, but i always get flamed for it because "HURDUR TERRIBLE JUNGLER OMFG GANK ME PLEASE!!!" no i can't gank you there's no opportunity to. Of course i can mute them and i do but it doesn't help the fact that they still were flaming me before that and i still had to see it and it still adds to my "Tilt Meter"

Pxerkza2 votes

defining it doesn't mean im making a point that it is right

https://i.imgur.com/T16JsWY.png i started red told everyone i will not be focusing top he still extended when the jungler was top side he still never warded he still died to every gank

even when i tried being top side he pinged me off or took a trade before i could come that meant that i couldn't gank after

terrible jungler or not there is no saving these creatures and you can hope that the other lanes you focus will compensate or you just go next

in this case the game was winnable but my cait that smashed her lane with me camping for them early and then hard focusing the mid so that my veigar can sting a lot decided to throw our momentum for an ocean drake that i said 30s before it spawned to give it up as it's not worth fighting over at that point

ofcourse me not being there wasn't enough of a sign for them to leave so they just died and we lost from then on as the people from my team that were ahead were no longer ahead and ofcourse it was my fault

Critmaster Garen5 votes

ok, so. have you payed attention to why your laner is losing, or if hes even in a position to follow up your gank without losing a shitload of gold and xp from stacked minion waves at his turret for something that MAY result in a kill?

this is a very common mistake junglers make. they dont account for the fact that even if you manage to get a kill out of it, it might not actually get your laner ahead/back into the game and you merely just trade even if it works out.

if you really want to do them a favour, skip the camps on your way to his lane, when the enemy is in a really gankable spot right that moment.

Zerenza1 votes

Yes, wave management is important and i'd rather not gank a lane if they have 2 minion waves under their tower. But then again, they still flame because they wanted that gank when they wanted it not when it was better for me or more beneficial.

Kanzler3 votes

Dear jungler, if I leave my lane to help chase down the enemy jungler in your jungle, I fully expect you to gank my lane in return since i sacrificed all that early experience.

Zerenza1 votes

Agreed

Darkdemon6531 votes

I have a question. If you're not going to help your teammates when the enemy enters your laners' territories, why would/should the laners help you when the enemy enters your territory?

Zerenza1 votes

You should help if your able to, similar to how i'll help if i'm able to. I'm strictly speaking of my ability to help you being completely and totally reliant on the state of your lane. I don't expect my laner's to help me with an invade if they are pushed under tower, nor do i expect them to help me if they're also in a bad position, that would be dumb. But on there side, they shouldn't expect me to help them if it's bad for me too help them, if the risk outweighs the benefits of the gank, i'd rather not gank unless i have no other choice to and a lot of laner's have never played jungle so they don't understand that. I started as a Mid and Top laner, so i get it and i too am guilty of everything i'v said.

To add to this, if your jungler is getting invaded constantly and no one helps them, whether your able to or not, it's kind of half the laner's fault that they aren't getting ganks. As a jungler there are a few things you can do to help alleviate invades but in most cases an invade is a one sided thing so it's really tough to prevent it and if your playing a champion like Evelynn, and get invaded by Udyr, you'll lose 100% of the time if you get no help from a laner because you can't 1v1.

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

Context matters.

Are those lanes losing because the enemy jungler is pouring pressure on them? If so, it is absolutely your job to handle the situation, either by helping them or ganking another lane harder to provide an advantage elsewhere. Just because you're not standing in a lane and facing off with the enemy jungler does not mean you're not in a contest of skill with them. If you're "securing objectives" and your lanes are crumbling from the pressure of having to handle the jungler showing up, or if even one lane is crumbling and you're not responding in a different lane, that shit is partially your fault. Maybe even completely, if your laner is doing everything they can and still dying.

Are those lanes legit losing matchups without the enemy jungler showing up? If so, it might still be your job to "win the lane" for them. Different characters are strong at different times. Some matchups legitimately need jungler interference to make it through harsh laning phases. If you're not ganking a Darius early to cut his legs out from under him and get your laner in a position to stomp him, you're doing it wrong. If you don't gank for an assassin early to help him get ahead of a mage and take control of the lane, you're doing it wrong.

So, no. Inaction does not equal innocence. You're not free from blame just because you didn't do anything. And that applies to every role in the game. I've lost games as a top laner because I chose not to teleport in when I should have. I've won games as a support because I left a self-sufficient ADC to roam and catch other lanes off-guard. I've won games as a tanky midlaner by forcing the enemy team to focus on me and getting my jungler ahead, and I've lost games the same way when the jungler won't show up for the kills but I keep setting them up like an idiot because I think "this time for sure he'll want the gold" and I end up hating myself -_-

Zerenza1 votes

First, if my laner knows the match up is bad for them, they should play safer and inform me that the match up is difficult. No match up is completely unwinnable, your only goal as a laner is to get out of lane with as much gold as you can, especially if your up against a champion that your champion is weak into. (I learned this when i used to have trouble against Pantheon when i played top.)

If they inform me of this and they do their best to not hard int them, i can definitely help them. I'm talking about those laner's that go 0/3 before i even hit level 6. Part of the job of a Gank is the laner, i know when i'm in a good position to gank, most laner's(In my ELO) don't and they don't know how to set up a lane to allow me to gank for them. In a case where the enemy laner is fed the risks far outweigh the reward, they could double kill us and then all i did with my gank is make it worse. I need the laner to show me that they know what to do, i'm not gonna trust my level 5 0/3 azir against a level 7 3/0 ahri, i'm just not, she's probably gonna kill me and that's REALLY bad.

Now, i'v won plenty of games by doing exactly what you said, but i still don't like being flamed when it isn't ENTIRELY my fault. All i need from my laner if they're losing is to 1. Stop dying and wait for me. 2. If they're low, tell me, if you win a trade, tell me. 3. Ping when they use their ulti or a summoner's. After a certain threshold though, i can't gank you, i'm sorry but it's a fact all that will happen is i die.

But again, Risk VS Reward you have to remember that a jungler is taking that into account, it might be more rewarding to gank one losing lane over another, i tend to focus bot lane if i have 2 lane's that are losing, if my 2 losing lanes are mid and top i'll focus mid and bot lane. There's a lot of thinking that goes into it and it's honestly hard to keep track of the state of every lane, that's why i like pings.

SKT T1 DRACOS1 votes

Alright they are flaming you for not ganking or feeding cause A:They fed the guy and B:They didn't follow up? Play MasterYi once u get item 3161 lets see who flames. The fed laner or ur teammate. :)

SosGrohiik1 votes

This reminds me of a game I played recently where a player locked in master Yi ADC beacuse he thought he was jungle. He fed the enemy first blood and the naut support died instantly afterwards. I chose to ignore it and focus all my effort into winning top. I looked away for half a second and suddenly master Yi was 21-1-4 and threatened to end the game before his internet died xD

SosGrohiik1 votes

I've had a few games playing jungle I am not a jungler but I would get flamed beacuse my bot lane didn't play safe fed their laner and complained to me that I didn't win their lane for them and they just kept giving kills out like free candy. I know how it feels and trust me. In that situation there's little you can do. Try to get fed and solo carry with the top or mid laner otherwise your only option is to fight until you lose.

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