(specially crit adc/weak early adc)
Are we really going to stay 2 weeks or a month with an unplayable class?
I want to be able to play jinx without feeling gimped or my team shit talking me in champ select for my pick, no if im queing for bot lane I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YASUO/IRELIA/VLAD or whatever other garbage is showing up (if i did i would be queing for mid or top) or be forced to play lucian or ezreal if i dont want to auto lose to those picks.
JoeAnarchy3 votesagreed, they "hotfix" other champs/roles anytime they fuck up as badly, but nooooo not this time.. shrug
chipndip13 votesMarksmen shouldn't get to be the sole protected sub-class of the game for practically the entire game's life span. It's ONE rough patch. Play the marksmen that aren't going through it while Riot figures out how to get anything else in bot lane. It's been long enough.
Zeyd1 votesMarksmen shouldn't get to be the sole protected sub-class of the game for practically the entire game's life span. It's ONE rough patch. Play the marksmen that aren't going through it while Riot figures out how to get anything else in bot lane. It's been long enough.
It's not that it's one patch. If it was one patch and Adc took a little hit, then no one would care. The problem is that it is one patch that singlehandedly ruined the entire concept of a ranged ad carry to the point where the class of character isn't viable anymore. I don't want to play fucking irelia or yasuo or darius when I play adc. I want to play Marksman. If I wanted to play those champions, I would main top.
chipndip13 votesIt's not that it's one patch. If it was one patch and Adc took a little hit, then no one would ca-
BOO HOO.
Every single sub-class has had their ups and downs for how strong they are in the game in both solo queue and pro games EXCEPT MARKSMEN, WHO'VE BEEN MANDATORY TO THE META FOR THE BETTER HALF OF A DECADE. IT'S ONE PATCH. PUT YOUR BIG BOY PANTS ON.
The game can't always be about marksmen for the rest of our lives.
Zeyd1 votesBOO HOO.
Every single sub-class has had their ups and downs for how strong they are in the game in both solo queue and pro games EXCEPT MARKSMEN, WHO'VE BEEN MANDATORY TO THE META FOR THE BETTER HALF OF A DECADE. IT'S ONE PATCH. PUT YOUR BIG BOY PANTS ON.
The game can't always be about marksmen for the rest of our lives.
First of all, chill it with the all cap screaming. Second, it's not that boo who crit isn't good rn. It's that Adc is literally unplayable. There is a difference between non op and non viable. If you can't see that, it's more or less noting that you have been blinded by rage caused by lulu shields when you try to kill the ad. Overtuning supports is where the entirety of this problem came from. Adc is meant to be a staple, and the thought that there are no sub classes is silly. You have Lethality abusers, Crit Adc/Late game scalers, and On hit users. These are the sub classes of Adc. It's not like they nerfed just one. Literally all of these are unplayable except the extreme upper tier of on hits with rage blade. Even then they are only meh at best and aren't effective unless you pull a massive lead early. Besides that, crit is unplayable and early game adcs are garbage as well. Meanwhile, all the bruisers and assassins enjoy the new stormrazor that was meant to keep this sinking ship afloat, a goal that it doesn't even accomplish. On top of all of this, why is there this community outrage at adc mains. When riot fucks Adc up we know it best, just like when riot fucks up jungle, they were all upset. When riot fucks up top lane next patch, all of the outrage is going to go to that and we all know that most of what happened will be rolled back anyways.
D357R0Y3R2 voteslucian ezreal jhin mf quinn kai sa draven kalista (50% win rate btw) and guinsoo adcs
just say "i want to play cait/jinx" i think it's closer to the truth than "i want to play adcs"
Infernape2 votesif im queing for bot lane I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YASUO/IRELIA/VLAD or whatever other garbage (if i did i would be queing for mid or top)
It's funny. When certain marksmen move out of the bot lane into other lanes, it's fine. But when the opposite occurs (IE Ziggs bot last year), it's not okay.
Gabresol1 votesIt's funny. When certain marksmen move out of the bot lane into other lanes, it's fine. But when the opposite occurs (IE Ziggs bot last year), it's not okay.
Botlane Carries always want to be the most important player in the game. If a fed toplaner or midlaner can kill them when they push without vision, these are OP. If a META change forces the to adept, they cry for marksman buffs or for all changes to be reverted.
Ardent gets nerfed, because it turns them into ranges assassins with healing factor? "WHERE ARE THE COMPENSATIONS BUFFS?"
Zeyd3 votesBotlane Carries always want to be the most important player in the game. If a fed toplaner or midlaner can kill them when they push without vision, these are OP. If a META change forces the to adept, they cry for marksman buffs or for all changes to be reverted.
Ardent gets nerfed, because it turns them into ranges assassins with healing factor? "WHERE ARE THE COMPENSATIONS BUFFS?"
Just gonna copy this from another thread, you guys need to realize that when Lucian came top he got shit on. However, in this case Adc as a role is so irrelevant and useless that top laners are the emerging META as bot lane. In comparison, Lucian top was regarded as a troll pick just to try and get ahead in lane.
It's so sad, literally all of you have no idea what you're talking about. Adc win rates are only decent because people are still trying to make them work. People pick marksman because it is what they are comfortable with and someone literally has to win every game. A more accurate measure would be win rates of bruisers bot lane vs standard ads. This is because the problem currently with Adc is not it doesn't stomp lane stomp game. It's that it's agency in any game is legitimately the least in the game of every role. Such that the entire concept of a ranged marksman itself is nigh unviable. The nerfs were far to serious and, fortunately, riot seems to be realizing this if you look at the dev corner. Moreover, the notion that ADC was ever "Broken" is legitimately imbecilic. Adc was always meant to be a glass cannon. It does the most damage, rightfully, because you can kill it the easiest. The problem around ADC was that supports have always been judged by how large their shields are and power creep, in order to make support satisfying, ended up blowing their power level out of proportion IE Making Adcs unkillable. Ironically, if you look at most high elo games, many games are now decided by junglers running around with, ironically, way to much damage and a bunch of lulu/janna/soraka buffs. In short, it has never been about the actual Adc.
In fact, it's legitimately disgusting that any of you are flaming him. Your argument is entirely founded on faulty logic and "Statistics". Most of your argument is derived from watching far too much Hashinshin
Gabresol1 votesJust gonna copy this from another thread, you guys need to realize that when Lucian came top he got shit on. However, in this case Adc as a role is so irrelevant and useless that top laners are the emerging META as bot lane. In comparison, Lucian top was regarded as a troll pick just to try and get ahead in lane.
It's so sad, literally all of you have no idea what you're talking about. Adc win rates are only decent because people are still trying to make them work. People pick marksman because it is what they are comfortable with and someone literally has to win every game. A more accurate measure would be win rates of bruisers bot lane vs standard ads. This is because the problem currently with Adc is not it doesn't stomp lane stomp game. It's that it's agency in any game is legitimately the least in the game of every role. Such that the entire concept of a ranged marksman itself is nigh unviable. The nerfs were far to serious and, fortunately, riot seems to be realizing this if you look at the dev corner. Moreover, the notion that ADC was ever "Broken" is legitimately imbecilic. Adc was always meant to be a glass cannon. It does the most damage, rightfully, because you can kill it the easiest. The problem around ADC was that supports have always been judged by how large their shields are and power creep, in order to make support satisfying, ended up blowing their power level out of proportion IE Making Adcs unkillable. Ironically, if you look at most high elo games, many games are now decided by junglers running around with, ironically, way to much damage and a bunch of lulu/janna/soraka buffs. In short, it has never been about the actual Adc.
In fact, it's legitimately disgusting that any of you are flaming him. Your argument is entirely founded on faulty logic and "Statistics". Most of your argument is derived from watching far too much Hashinshin
I do not watch Hashinshin. He is too toxic for me to enjoy him. I onced watched on of his videos, which stated his opinion on how toplane feels (barely playing top myself, that peaked my interest) and while he had a point here and there his overall attitude just made me not wanting to see anymore of him.
Back to the matter at hand. I never said anything about RADCs being strong right now. They can still deal ton's of damage like before (tons of damage does not mean the same amount, just that it is still a lot), but with how weak some objectives are, they might not even get to the point and even than they have to be protected for longer than before what increaes the chancs of them getting assassinated or hit by a hook or something.
The reason I think bruisers are actually start becoming META botlane, is that taking turrets is easy once the jungler helped you getting a RADC out of lane once and pushing bruisers out of lane who weither have natural sustain or just strsight up more meat to cut down can get quite diffecult. Also bruiser scale quicker.
Basicly. The game is currently not designed long enough for RADCs to get their items in time and bruiser are already strong with just one item.
But what annoys me about these threads is how people just claim that Marksman do not work anymore on botlane, what is just false. They are unlikely to loose the 2v2 on botlane and with their jungler keeping an eye out for them, it is unlikely that they will drop their turret. That should also lead to an extention of the early game as long as the solo lanes do not get defeated too hard and suddenly you have an 2 Items marksman before T1 is down. And at that point they should be able to outscale whatever bruiser stepped onto botlane.
I agree that there are some adjustment to do to give Marksman a sligthly easier way to arm-up during laning phase, I do not believe that it is impossible to play them.
And if this was some kind of kind of threat explaning why Marksman are having trouble right now, I would be okay with it, but this thread is crying about changes and that suddenly not all marksman are META anymore like they were to begin with.
Rexxiee2 votesIt's funny. When certain marksmen move out of the bot lane into other lanes, it's fine. But when the opposite occurs (IE Ziggs bot last year), it's not okay.
What? Mages complain all day about assassins in their lane, and top laners complain all day about anything that isnt bruisers on their lane too.
Colton1471 votes
is in a very unplayable state now.
pls