I feel that there should be at least one AP+Resistance item with no Cdr

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I basically feel its difficult to fit in multiple sources of Cdr on various builds that range from full AP to AP tanky, making it harder to maintain playstyles and strategies utilized prior to the big AP item rework.

It also makes it difficult to fit AP+Resistance items in a build when early Cdr is crucial to a champions kit, especially when they need mana items like item 3165, item 3025 etc..

The most common stats needed in this game are Cdr and Mana for AP+Mana champs, and since gold income is gated early its almost mandatory to rush both stats on a single complete item for the majority of AP+mana based champs in the game.

Many players including myself would much rather have some amount of flat Cdr runes depending on their champ and playstyle, but its much harder to do this now specifically due to the addition of Cdr to all AP+Resistance items.

item 3157 item 3050 item 3001 item 3174 item 3060 Are the only options for AP+Resistances but they all have 10 or 20% Cdr making it really hard to couple with other AP items like I previously mentioned and then there is item 3115... oi..

So for example, I am a mage supp like Janna or Sona.

I want to have some threat in lane and keep up my spells, I want to boost my heal/shield power, and I dont want to get blown up too easy.

Considering this I want my build to be something like this:

item 3092 item 2049 item 3009 item 3504 item 3157 item 3001

No problem going over the Cdr cap here, problem is its most likely going to be 10% for the majority of the game considering support has the lowest income and will most likely need sightstone and t2 boots before being able to start on a possible item 3114 or item 3108.

But what about not getting blown up? well that is also delayed by the first 3-4 items depending if you have the luxury of being ahead and going Ardent Censer before Glass and Abyssal, but many times you will need to rush a item 3191 or item 1057 before anything.

But how will you have all that item space to sit on component items while trying to keep item 2043 on deck? You will most likely not.

And thats just the problem when the Cdr doesnt go over the cap.

My point is not that it is impossible to manage Cdr but it has become more difficult on many champions and there are a lot of builds and playstyles that were negatively effected, specifically those that require early AP+Mana+Cdr, and Summoners who preferred the earliest of Cdr via runes.

My suggestion is to create at least one AP+Resistance item(Magic Resistance or Armor) that does not have any Cdr at all, so that players who wish to build AP heavy with some form of defense can do so with more flexibility.

THHAAAANNKS :D

P.s. I intentionally neglected Apostrophes.

12 Comments

Reikken4 votes

item 3170 pls riot

DarkRitual3 votes

Untill it gets nerfed into oblivion for actually being bought by 3 or 4 people every game, on each team. Half the Resists and drop the Tenacity to 10%. Gold adjusted accordingly of course (it's already absurdly strong at 2500, where I would expect it's current stats to cost more like 3800 if ported to the Rift).

Vistha Kai1 votes

Shit like that tends to happen when if it's the only tenacity item in the game, boots not included.

DarkRitual1 votes

But the stats that are on it make it an absolute must-buy on literally any AP champ (and even a bunch of tanks that have AP scalings would take it). It's not that it's the only non-boot tenacity item, it's that it actuallyu has a HIGHER tenacity% than boots does. As I said, cutting some of the stats would make it still good, but would not be absurdly overpowered for the gold cost.

Vistha Kai1 votes

It's higher because Riot hates Tenacity on Summoners Rift, apparently.

First they removed Zephyr, because it "was under-bought" (while leaving Ohmwrecker which nobody EVER built), then nerfed Mercs.

HaloDragonX1 votes

Tenacity is really only good on tanks, because anyone who is squishy would rather have Hourglass if a mage, or QSS if marksmen. Because they die so fast that CC resistance is mostly useless. I agree though, drop resistances to 40 each, but keep the tenacity the same (or remove tenacity and make a new passive). Change cost to 2800/2900, it's no where near 3800 with so little AP.

The item would be core on Ekko, Rumble, anyone who can be AP bruiser.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

I'm a bit confused as to what you're asking here. What exactly is preventing you from buying one of the current AP defensive items?

If you go over the CDR, so what. There are enough CDR items that becomes rate be hard not to do on a lot of champions, so instead of focusing on that aspect of the item, focus on everything else the item gives

Vistha Kai1 votes

Because it's needlessly inflating item prices.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

How? Most of the items that gained CDR in the mage update lost some other stat in exchange, and IIRC, either stayed the same price or decreased.

What do you mean by inflating the cost?

Vistha Kai1 votes

That's the point.

CDR was traded for stats you actually wanted, like Zhonya's active or AP, or Abyssal's MR reduction.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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That's the point.

CDR was traded for stats you actually wanted, like Zhonya's active or AP, or Abyssal's MR reduction.

That's because they don't want non-battle mages to build these items.

They shouldn't give artillery mages better options just to help AP supports (when AP supports could easily just build Dead Man's Plate or Randuin's Omen and be happy)

In fact, Randuin's Omen is a fantastic armor item for a support. Gives lots of durability, gives you an AS slow to punish carries who hit you, and it gives you an AOE slow field active that can be a massive peeling tool. And crit reduction.

For MR, there's Zz'rot Portal, which plenty of supports can build. There's Spirit Visage, which makes your heals better on yourself. There's Banshee's Veil, which will just make you unburstable at this point because no one is building Void Staff anymore.

Supports aren't supposed to get away with building full AP. If they do, they definitely aren't supposed to be hard to kill.

HaloDragonX1 votes

Can we have a no gimmicky MR item. Veil is a spell shield, Visage is healing power, nothing feels standard.

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