Now, those are REAL JHIN BUFFS

Ahristocats·Feb 26, 2018·114 votes·9,162 views

Passive AD mult:: 2-40% >>> 4-44%

Q AD ratio:: 40/45/50/55/60% >>> 40/47.5/55/62.5/70%

W now roots off of ALL damage Jhin deals, not just basic attacks.

100 Comments

rework trundleFeb 26, 201863 votes

Passive AD mult:: 2-40% >>> 4-44%

They had to do it.

SangreDeNocheFeb 27, 201814 votes

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They had to do it.

They could've just added a bunch of digits after the hundreths place for laughs like they do with other champ passives... Why must they hurt us this way...

Total AtrophyFeb 27, 20186 votes

It’s three 4s I can’t do it mannnnnnnnn, make it stoppppp

TeCoolMageFeb 28, 20184 votes

Yeah shoulda been 4.4 - 44

yZfYArleneFeb 26, 201855 votes

These buffs are actually insane

4 Step CadenceFeb 26, 201855 votes

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These buffs are actually Jhinsane

FTFY

paisyFeb 26, 201848 votes

I always wondered why I couldn't root after landing Q

ApexInTheCircleFeb 26, 201830 votes

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I always wondered why I couldn't root after landing Q

Right? I mean it makes sense that you can plus it would flow so well with his kit, get a nice 4 bounce on your Q then snare someone.

Velzard of KozFeb 27, 20186 votes

I think they just initially tried being careful with it, though it did indeed made sense.

TimeNeverChangesFeb 26, 201820 votes

I wonder when will Lucian get his buffs.

SangreDeNocheFeb 27, 20189 votes

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I wonder when will Lucian get his buffs.

When he stops being cancerous mid lane.

TimeNeverChangesFeb 27, 20186 votes

Lucian in solo que isn’t cancerous in mid lane. Plus riot wants to open up bot lane to mages. Hopefully riot lets Lucian open up mid lane. 😈

Sp33d Zer0Feb 27, 20184 votes

He did open it up.

He spread those cheeks and dove right in.

NineTailedMysticFeb 27, 20185 votes

If they let Lucian mid lane, I'm not playing mid anymore.

PoskeFeb 27, 20187 votes

Good midlaners really dont lose to lucian

There are 4 kassadin mains in balance team

So if any of you wonders why Lucian got nerfed in mid now you know

Apart from Kassadin matchup Lucian mid is irelevant 40% winrate trollpick and back at its prime he was still like a 42% winrate trollpick in mid

saltranFeb 27, 20184 votes

I actually think that what you are talking wasn't the real reason, because they nerfed Lucian Mid for the LC$.

PoskeFeb 27, 20184 votes

They used lucian in lcs to counter kassadin

Now maybe some pro player was noob baited into lucian mid viability but thats as far as it goes

HashihimeFeb 27, 20184 votes

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I wonder when will Lucian get his buffs.

hopefully never unless they tone done his crit scaling for ability buffs

Spank the FoxFeb 27, 201815 votes

Can we remove Jhin’s ability to root off of allied damage then?

He really doesn’t need buffs, and this is going to be incredibly frustrating if he can root you after slowing you for several seconds with his ult.

Votable JesterFeb 27, 201811 votes

If by several seconds you mean .5 seconds on each shot that lands, and really only .5 if you mean that it would make it easier for him to land W.

Also he has a 46.82% win rate and does not have >50% win rate for any phase of the game (reaching a max of 47.55 in the pre-25 minute window). I'd say he does need buffs (or at least his competition needs nerfs).

Spank the FoxFeb 27, 20189 votes

No, I don’t mean the slow will help him land W, but do you think it’s fair to be hit with several slowing shots then ulted for Leona duration tier CC from a screen away, on top of the fact he can already trigger W from literally anybody else?

He got his buffs in the form of better scaling. This is an over buff with changing how W interacts.

Jhin is OPPRESSIVE when he’s good, and this is me saying it from someone who had Rank 7 Jhin on other accounts.

Edit: I should mention Jhin can root off his last shot if he positions well, however. Right now he’d rely on allies damaging them during Curtain Call

HibekiFeb 27, 20185 votes

idk if you ever tried, its basically impossible for jhin to root after his ult.

The camera adjusts to a really dumb position, the time it takes between ult turning off and you can move, not to mention aiming and the delay of the ability itself.

If youre so desperate to root someone with w you need to use ult first, then give him the fucking root

Also, the only time jhin was oppressive was after the insane buffs. Right now supports are the problem

LDG JiamblesFeb 27, 20184 votes

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Can we remove Jhin’s ability to root off of allied damage then?

He really doesn’t need buffs, and this is going to be incredibly frustrating if he can root you after slowing you for several seconds with his ult.

You say that Jhin doesn't need buffs, but he currently has a 47% winrate with a 4.2% playrate. He's not in a great spot right now. Also, how many times has a Jhin ulted you to not finish you off. If he hits you with his ult, but you escape, you're out of range of his snare. Unless you walk out of the cone and immediately start walking towards him again.

BlåbæretFeb 27, 201813 votes

What about Riot nerfing the OP ADCs instead of giving them love taps and see where that leaves Jhin? Sick and tired of this endless buff cycle.

saltranFeb 27, 201818 votes

Wait wait you know that they are nerfing the top adcs 1 by 1 right? First Vayne, then Kog'Maw, ofc Ezreal was also nerfed, Trist was nerfed last patch and it's getting more nerfs on PBE.

How can you say that they are not nerfing the strong adcs?

AwhegarkFeb 27, 20187 votes

Well the thing is that after you nerf the strong adcs new strong adcs will come out. So to the person you replied to nothing is happening.

saltranFeb 27, 20186 votes

I agree that after they nerf 1 strong adc other takes his place.

But saying "...and tired of this endless buff cycle" or pretending that Rito is not nerfing the strong adcs is categorically wrong and it's embracing the "Rito doesn't nerf adcs" circlejerk. That's why I replied.

NyloafFeb 26, 201812 votes

when the rito gods favor the absolute shit out of you

: ^)

GGLineaRFeb 27, 20184 votes

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when the rito gods favor the absolute shit out of you

: ^)

Well, I mean, Jhin hasn't been in the best spot for a while now.

Unless you mean the ADC role in general, of course. ;v;

Kai GuyFeb 27, 20185 votes

Politely, I can only see it as a negative if riot does not keep very close tabs on adc. Some 18 champions for that class and you realistically will see 2 in almost every game. other positions, top jungle mid sup, have much higher pools to pick from and thus it makes less of an impact if the range of viability is more varied.

GGLineaRFeb 27, 20184 votes

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Politely, I can only see it as a negative if riot does not keep very close tabs on adc. Some 18 champions for that class and you realistically will see 2 in almost every game. other positions, top jungle mid sup, have much higher pools to pick from and thus it makes less of an impact if the range of viability is more varied.

No, I agree. I was just saying that Jhin in particular really hasn't been favoured all that much by anyone but the skin team.

ADCs, or maybe the hypercarries IN that class specifically, have been rito's favourite for a while now. And that's dumb.

Fear the KaynFeb 27, 201812 votes

Good, Jhin is (in my opinion) the most fair adc to play against in the game. Sure he still right clicks you for a ton of damage, but hes extremely immobile and has specific times where you can all in him and all he can do is stand still and sperg out (reloading). This is how ALL adcs should be modeled after, IMO.

VoraciousXFeb 27, 20186 votes

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Good, Jhin is (in my opinion) the most fair adc to play against in the game. Sure he still right clicks you for a ton of damage, but hes extremely immobile and has specific times where you can all in him and all he can do is stand still and sperg out (reloading). This is how ALL adcs should be modeled after, IMO.

These buffs in my opinion are absolutely nuts. Don't get me wrong I love them, but they're kinda crazy.

Fear the KaynFeb 27, 20185 votes

Good, I'm hoping hes strong. He takes a hell of a lot more skill to pull off than Vayne, Tristana, Twitch or most of the other meta hypercarrys right now.

VoraciousXFeb 27, 20185 votes

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Good, I'm hoping hes strong. He takes a hell of a lot more skill to pull off than Vayne, Tristana, Twitch or most of the other meta hypercarrys right now.

Actually I'm wrong, they're not nuts. They're perfectly fine. I just checked on the PBE vs live, with the build I normally go it's like 10 extra AD to his passive and about 50 extra damage on his Q. The buff to his W honestly feels like it should have came on release. Just hoping he doesn't get too many buffs to the point where Riot puts him in the gutter. As for landing his W off ult, I don't think this will be possible, and even if it was, usually you'd use your W before ulting to stop them from moving for your team to catch up, then ult them. I can't see the point of using W after you've used everything else because by that point they should be dead. This may just be a PBE bug but his auto attacks feel faster despite having the same attack speed as before(or maybe I'm just not ever used to getting level 18 on Jhin), but I'm almost certain there's a bug rn on PBE that's making lethal tempo actually increase his attack speed for like a second. If you time it right you can get 2 auto attacks right after the other and it feels so amazing. Of course this doesn't happen all the time, but it happens enough from my experience in practice tool.

KarfussFeb 27, 20184 votes

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Good, Jhin is (in my opinion) the most fair adc to play against in the game. Sure he still right clicks you for a ton of damage, but hes extremely immobile and has specific times where you can all in him and all he can do is stand still and sperg out (reloading). This is how ALL adcs should be modeled after, IMO.

Agreed. I would say his damage is too high (and I'd say that for all ADC and their itemisation), but Jhin, at least, has that period of vulnerability where he cannot do anything.

A Jhin wastes all his shots on the tank, then the enemy team commits? Prepared to be steam rolled by the enemy Vayne. Go in to assassinate when he's reloading? Deleted before he can burst you out. That's some meaningful and tangible counterplay you can work around, without turning a cannon, wrist crossbow and a sniper into a gattling burst gun.

LilBadWitchFeb 27, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IvaOEH8v,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-02-27T01:22:32.401+0000)

Good, Jhin is (in my opinion) the most fair adc to play against in the game. Sure he still right clicks you for a ton of damage, but hes extremely immobile and has specific times where you can all in him and all he can do is stand still and sperg out (reloading). This is how ALL adcs should be modeled after, IMO.

I agree 100%. Jhin and Caitlyn are both, in my opinion, the most fair ADC's to play against and with. They both feel like they fulfill the Marksman fantasy in a balanced and enjoyable way with options for both the Jhin / Cait player and the opposition to play around.

PurpleKingCrazyFeb 27, 201810 votes

Leave it at 44. Such a true beauty. Jhin

Taliyah

IfnethFeb 27, 20184 votes

Taliyah “Beauty is no excuse for so much suffering!”

Risk of FateFeb 26, 20187 votes

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AhristocatsFeb 27, 20186 votes

but how is jhin a counter to ashe

T4underboltFeb 27, 20185 votes

Now that is a bunch of unnessecery changes. If riot got rid of crit and actually nerfed ADCs that are free wins like Tristana,varus jhin would come out as one of the strongest ADCs without needing any buffs. This buff will end up making him op once the other ADCs or crit items get reworked.

HäxelFeb 27, 20184 votes

then riot would first need to nerf tanks too cause jhin makes least dps of all adcs kinda. Critremoval would still be tied with ana ddition to a new mechanik and standard adcs would still melt down better tanks as jhin. And both, critremoval and riot nerfing tanks i see in a far, far future. And at that point if jhin ever gets op again you can nerf him again. I can see the w mechanik working while other stuff gets nerfed on him.

kile147Feb 27, 20184 votes

The W root changes are honestly not that over the top. It always made sense that you could root after landing grenade bounces and for the sake of being conservative they didn't let him do it. If he gets too strong reverting the AD ratio changes is still an option, but the root changes are going to make him feel/play a lot better.

Andrey0345Feb 27, 20184 votes

W rooted off E triggering as well.

TwitchInMyPantsFeb 27, 20184 votes

Welp back to pick/ban status lol

Jhin nukes coming back once again, though it'll give me a reason to put him back into my pool

FläshFourthShotFeb 27, 20184 votes

Well holy shit

DanjengFeb 27, 20184 votes

Jhin is a well designed champion, that doesn't feel too oppressive when ahead and has a lot of counterplay (unlike some right clickers). But I remember when he was in every few games and it was repetitive seeing him so often so I really hope it doesn't turn out like that.