How are we supposed to kill tanks without conqueror?

Jar Jar binks l··3 votes·2,340 views

Just fought a siond and sejuani. I had conqueror on and maiden with 4 ghouls and sion didn't die. Yorick is an tank killer champion, but can't kill a tank.

Now Imagine if conqueror wouldn't exist, tanks wouldnt be killable and we would have tank meta all over again

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kingDeDeDarius9 votes

Last whisper, black cleaver, lethality, in kit true damage and armor pen. Though I have a legit question, is Yorick actually a tank killer? I though he was more of a split pusher, medium level dueler, and minion mancer, but never though of him as a tank killer the way Darius, garen vayne, or yi are. And Sion and see are more exception than rule right now. Besides, unless I'm mistake, Yorick isn't that strong right now I thought. Taking the best meta tanks vs a struggling bruiser/juggernauts is probably not the best comparison. Maybe Yorick needs some love, but conquerors is definitely unhealthy for the game and bruisers should good something in it's placed to benefit them. And don't forget, just because some champs struggle against tanks isn't a bad thing. Tanks don't need to be universally crapped on and should have favorable matchups as well. That gives the champs who are actually meant to be tank Busters a useful and identifiable niche. Right now almost anyone can dumpster the tank class

Iota Theta2 votes

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Last whisper, black cleaver, lethality, in kit true damage and armor pen. Though I have a legit question, is Yorick actually a tank killer? I though he was more of a split pusher, medium level dueler, and minion mancer, but never though of him as a tank killer the way Darius, garen vayne, or yi are. And Sion and see are more exception than rule right now. Besides, unless I'm mistake, Yorick isn't that strong right now I thought. Taking the best meta tanks vs a struggling bruiser/juggernauts is probably not the best comparison. Maybe Yorick needs some love, but conquerors is definitely unhealthy for the game and bruisers should good something in it's placed to benefit them. And don't forget, just because some champs struggle against tanks isn't a bad thing. Tanks don't need to be universally crapped on and should have favorable matchups as well. That gives the champs who are actually meant to be tank Busters a useful and identifiable niche. Right now almost anyone can dumpster the tank class

Whatever happened to Cleaver and Whisper items? Like, these are tools designed to help bring down tanks, and I would rarely see them built against me when I played tank, and then people would get upset that tanks were strong and unkillable so we got Conquerer then enables building to kill squishies but still deal damage to tanks. Like..what happened to the armor pen items?

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

Ikr, the armor pen items are actually real strong, and when people do build them, they melt tanks off the map.

Ralanr2 votes

Probably because people feel like they don’t need to buy them because they have Conquerer.

Cause counterbuilding isn’t fun apparently.

Ravenous Howls2 votes

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Last whisper, black cleaver, lethality, in kit true damage and armor pen. Though I have a legit question, is Yorick actually a tank killer? I though he was more of a split pusher, medium level dueler, and minion mancer, but never though of him as a tank killer the way Darius, garen vayne, or yi are. And Sion and see are more exception than rule right now. Besides, unless I'm mistake, Yorick isn't that strong right now I thought. Taking the best meta tanks vs a struggling bruiser/juggernauts is probably not the best comparison. Maybe Yorick needs some love, but conquerors is definitely unhealthy for the game and bruisers should good something in it's placed to benefit them. And don't forget, just because some champs struggle against tanks isn't a bad thing. Tanks don't need to be universally crapped on and should have favorable matchups as well. That gives the champs who are actually meant to be tank Busters a useful and identifiable niche. Right now almost anyone can dumpster the tank class

Well said! But in all honesty conqueror should never have been a rune in the first place it just gives free true damage to champs who are already oppressive early to late game or have strong shred itemization b/c they can make use of BC or other lethality items. Ex. Aatrox Camille Darius Fiora Illaoi Irelia Jax MasterYi Renekton Riven Tryndamere Yasuo Yorick. All of these champions are problematic with conqueror, some more than others.

Also conqueror should not be an early crutch to kill tanks sooner and should be the strategic buy item in Mortal Reminder or Lord Dominik's Regards in that champions build. Like if Fiora wants to kill tanks with more true damage then she should have to give up an item in her build to buy one of those 2 items not get it for free from a rune.

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

Thanks! Personally, i've been of the opinion that the higher scaling, higher dps champs like Jax, Yi, Yas, and tryn were the worst offenders because with the exception of Yi true damage on E, and Yas armor pen on crits after ult, they were built around absurd amounts of damage with strong defensive and gap closing mechanics, and until they bought armor pen, one of the best strategies to beat them early was to buy ninja tabi and a little more armor before continuing normal builds. Now those champs went from having weak early games to middling early games and starting coming online much faster. Champs like Camille, fiora, and Darius definitely benefit from conquerors, but they have anti synergies, since, except for the bonus as, the true damage has no benefit on Darius R, Camille second Q, or fiora passive and R. Plus champs with armor pen naturally get less marginal utility from true damage, and those champs were built around the same levels of absurd premitigated dps.

Frontline Fury8 votes

Since when was Yorick a tank killer? I think you have the wrong idea about your champion. Yorick is a split pusher and a skirmisher - especially with conqueror he REALLY doesn't like fighting all-in champs or tanks for extended periods of time..

It's ironic, but if you wanna fight a tank you're better off with grasp. Yorick is stronger the longer he can stay alive, as he is very cooldown dependent - so you want to focus on sustain over burst damage, as most of his damage comes from ghouls and maiden basic attacks.

Against Sion, you might want these: item 3068 item 3065 item 3071

Moody P1 votes

dude has 10% hp damage on a two second CD how is he not build to kill tanks

Galiö5 votes

You'll still be able to kill tanks, just not one shot them.

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

And the idea of one shotting tanks with almost any champ that can build conquerors, and not just with tanking busting champ kits, is actually absurd

The thigh guy5 votes

Black cleaver Lethality Void staff Magic pen Last whisper items Blade of the ruined king Bloodrazor Liandries torment Insert 50 champions with %max hp damag Insert 50 champions with inate pen Life steal

Tanks have more counterplay through items than every other role in this game.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

I agree, and don't forget tunes, like the ones that give more damage the more ho your opponent has (which is really fricken stupid because it literally just removed part of an entire class if champions main strength for no reason

Salvor Hardın4 votes

How are we supposed to kill tanks without conqueror?

Very slowly.

TEKadeo1 votes

This is what people don't seem to get about tanks....

BrightWîngs4 votes

something should be in place of conqueror but as a tank player I dont see many people building item 3036 or item 3033 I cant stress how strong these items are against a tank the difference in damage is MASSIVE

PopcornBunni2 votes

Damage heavily, heavily outscales resistances even without their shredding items. Tank items are about 75% as cost and slot efficient as offensive ones and split across both resistance types.

Even ignoring item 3071 invalidating any tanks' ability to 1on1 or item 3036 cutting into their gold efficiency even more, damage picks are effectively working with an item and a half - two items worth of extra stats.

ApexInTheCircle2 votes

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Just fought a siond and sejuani. I had conqueror on and maiden with 4 ghouls and sion didn't die. Yorick is an tank killer champion, but can't kill a tank.

Now Imagine if conqueror wouldn't exist, tanks wouldnt be killable and we would have tank meta all over again

You do what every other person did back in any season prior to 7, item 3071 item 3035 item 3153 Boom no more tank.

5or6stores1 votes

Good thing we're not in a tank meta. It's not like there are any tanky champs that are busted/toxic atm. Nasus Urgot NasusSion Nasus NasusNasus

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Ok urgot isn't that bad, even when strong there is plenty of counterplay, Sion and nasus can be different tho

Rester1 votes

I think you'd be better off with Grasp on Yorick, conqueror is more for dps oriented champs like Master Yi, Tryndamere, and Jax.

Moonscourge1 votes

Buy armor penetration.

Also it's not your sole job to do it. Mages and ADCs are very good at killing tanks.

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