Unpopular Opinion: Zhonyas is a good item

saltran·Jul 15, 2018·9 votes·1,907 views

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Redskinsrock2611Jul 15, 20186 votes

Was better with 120 AP

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20183 votes

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Was better with 120 AP

and a 90 second cooldown

i mean yeah... its a "good" item

AD get three GREAT items

saltranJul 15, 20184 votes

I'm sorry but Zhonyas active had 90s cooldown since the first patch when Zhonyas was added, it never had 60s : http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zhonya%27s_Hourglass

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20183 votes

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I'm sorry but Zhonyas active had 90S cooldown since the first patch when Zhonyas was added: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zhonya%27s_Hourglass

oops.. sorry i mean 90... XD it has a 120 now.. i know they increased by by 30 seconds.. brain fart

saltranJul 15, 20181 votes

Imo no and I'll try to explain it:

If you look at when Zhonyas gave 120 AP you have patch V3.02: Recipe was item 3191 + item 1058 + 650g = total 3410 gold. Stats were 120 AP, 50 armor and the active was 90s cooldown. (and it was nerfed to 100ap V5.13 btw along with more changes, mostly nerfs)

Then you have current Zhonyas that was last changed on patch V8.9: Recipe is item 3191 + item 2420 + item 3108 + 300g = total 2900g. Stats are 75 ap, 10% cdr, 45 armor and active cooldown is 120s.

You can see that new Zhonyas has a way better build patch since it doesn't lock your backs to reach the 1250g that costs item 1058 . Is 510g more cheaper and the most important is for me that you can pre buy the item 2420 for 600g and have acces to 1 stasis before completing the item, keep in mind that you needed the full 3410 gold to have it. But I cant ignore the downside that is the 30s more on cooldown.

Imo there's a misunderstanding on what makes Zhonyas strong and overall is better for the mages to have the Stasis active on a cheaper item because is the active what makes you want to buy the item, but if you guys really think that hidding the Stasis active on a 3410g paywall with bad build path was better for mages I can only add that I don't share your opinions.

AirKingNeoJul 15, 20181 votes

it was overpowered with 120 ap

wildfox99Jul 15, 20182 votes

it wouldn't be a bad item with 5/10 more armor,but most of the complain aren't about this item being weak but about AP having less defensive options than ADs

if you are an AP vs AD you can only get a item 3157

if you are an AD vs AP you can get item 3139 item 3156 item 3091 item 3814 (ok les't pretend that spellshields doesn't counter APs,so don't consider it) item 3111 (AD are not foced to build item 3020 )

now let's take Ahri ,she gets hard countered by item 3140 ,well so QSS is effective and a good choice against any AP assassin?

no,against stuff like Fizz or Leblanc it's useless,but it doesn't make it a bad item,it's just situational

the same goes for the zhonya,sometimes it can be really useful (against Zed Kayn and so on),but sometimes you get it only because there is no other choice (ie. Talon Yasuo and so on),that's why AP need another armor item,zhonya is situational but have no replacement

AirKingNeoJul 15, 20181 votes

no AP champion can get wit's end, maw, mercscem, and EoN in the same build. If you do, you lose a ton of damage.

also you can't fucking mention EoN, an item that gives HEALTH, just because it gives a spellshield AND NOT BANSHEE'S VEIL

well great, now ahri just taxed her opponent 1300 gold. It's not good design, but taxing people 1300 gold is huge.

wildfox99Jul 16, 20181 votes

no AP champion can get wit's end, maw, mercscem, and EoN in the same build. If you do, you lose a ton of damage.

i said AD items that counter AP,AD/AS based champions can take at least one of the mentioned items

also you can't fucking mention EoN, an item that gives HEALTH, just because it gives a spellshield AND NOT BANSHEE'S VEIL

because,again,i was talking about AD items

well great, now ahri just taxed her opponent 1300 gold. It's not good design, but taxing people 1300 gold is huge.

so?

what do you mean with that?

my point was zhonya is not a bad item but APs need more choices because it's situational,i made an example with item 3140 ,imagine that it would be the only AD-MR item,it can be good against some champions but useless against others,the same happens for zhonya

anyway a zhonya could be called a 2900 tax following your reasoning

AirKingNeoJul 16, 20181 votes

You said AP champions can only get hourglass while AD champs can get 4 item options.

That isn't true, which is my argument. Don't attempt to distract from the point by saying "i'm just talking about AD items" when you clearly mentioned AP's item options, which also include all their items that give HP and spellshields by the logic of including EoN.

RogueDekJul 15, 20181 votes

It is a good item. Now all we need is a zhonyas for ADCs so they come back into the meta.

A smart player with a zhonyas can do anything.

saltranJul 15, 20184 votes

No, imo AD champs should not get a Extasis item and AP champs should not get a Qss item either.

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20181 votes

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No, imo AD champs should not get a Extasis item and AP champs should not get a Qss item either.

then can we get a item 3156 and a item 3026 ?

i mean if item 3157 is your equivalent to item 3139 / item 3140

then where is is our item 3155 / item 3156 and item 3026

wildfox99Jul 15, 20182 votes

item 3026 was literally reworked so AD could have the equivalent of zhonya,yet i don't see anything similar to an AP item 3139

saltranJul 15, 20181 votes

GA was reworked to be an AD item because when it only gave defensive stats it was only used on tanks and adcs. Outside of the nostalgia, reallity is that even when GA wasn't an AD item it was never bought on Mages.

And honestly GA isn't a equivalent to Zhonyas by anyway since the strenght of Stasis and the reason why is a item with high skill ceiling is that you are the one that can use it in the best moment to dodge enemy team crucial cooldowns, or reset agro on turret dives.

RogueDekSep 1, 20181 votes

You know, there's a summoner spell called cleanse? And yes, they should get an extasis item given the fact it's one of the only counters to getting immediately dived on and killed.

LightIsMyPathJul 15, 20181 votes

It IS a good item for the stasis but it's not a good anti-AD item. It hard counters burst combos and at the same time it's shit against instant burst or dps. Building a zhonya vs a a zed (telegraphed burst) feels super unfair for the zed (negates the burst with stasis AND gives you armor), however a lux is countered by it even with the stasis effect alone. On the other hand facing the likes of Yasuo zhonya is mostly useless, the armor is too little for the price but you have nothing to replace it with. It would be a great item if they scrapped the armor and kept the stasis as anti-burst oriented item and then added a generic defensive item giving armor