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Dear Boards, which ADC dou you want to be meta?

saltran·Dec 31, 2017·24 votes·4,211 views

Just this question, because when it was the ardent meta and all the "point and click-no skill" I thought people wanted Ezreal and MF to be meta because EZ dmg is based on skillshots and MF Q double can be avoid by good positioning/ her ultimate can be stopped by cc and she cant move while ulting.

And I'm fine with Riot nerfing Ez Q dmg because he needed to do less dmg, also the MF nerf on E was fair but for what I read this days on Boards is that you guys don't want either MF or EZ to be meta. (And if you want my opinion about Vayne I will just tell that she's my every game ban unless I'm MF and Yasuo windwall is open, don't think I defend this champ)

And you don't need to go check my most played champs to know I'm biased: I'm a ADC main, my most played champs are Cait-MF-Ashe-Ezreal and I can play in a decent way for my elo every adc with 2 exceptions that are Draven and Twicht.

So I ask again: Which adcs would you want to be meta? Because I have the feeling that some of you guys just hate the adcs and you will not be happy until they are removed from this game.

220 Comments

sutora3Dec 31, 201723 votes

Mordekaiser tin man happy fun times

ZardoDec 31, 20174 votes

not to play against though

SujirenDec 31, 201722 votes

Jhin I don't even care if he crushes my team. He just has a nice and unique overall design, clear windows of power when trading based around his 4th shot, and he actually needs to land skillshots to fully utilize his kit, unlike infamous right clickers Vayne , Tristana Twitch . I wouldn't mind if every adc meta involved Jhin tbh.

Somebody Love MeDec 31, 20171 votes

My only problem with Jhin is his attack range when I'm on someone lower ranged. I don't like getting auto'd under tower, when he's out of tower range, whenever I try to go for cs. Plus lethality is not fun to play against. I like going vs crit Jhin more.

UmbraMortemJan 1, 20181 votes

I play crit Jhin, shit's fun as hell. TBH though your attack range comment is fairly invalid, besides his spell casts, he has one of the lowest ADC auto ranges in the game, at 550. Quinn, Jinx (Minigun), and Xayah are the only ADC's with a shorter range, and jinx can increase hers with fishbones. He's tied with Corki, Draven, Ezreal, Kalista, Miss Fortune, LV1 Tristana, Twitch and Vayne. He's outranged by Varus, Ashe, Caitlyn, LV2+ Tristana, Jinx (fishbone), Kog'Maw (with W active), and Twitch (with ult). The biggest downside with Jhin is he has no real way to force fights. all you gotta do is bait and poke him, force unfavorable fights (right as he reloads or just after Q, bonus points if he does both), and generally force him to fight on your time. He's unique because his windows of power are huge, but his downtime between is the weakest in the game to compensate. its essentially a .5 second window of opportunity every time he makes an action that you can punish, but any other time YOU will be punished.

Somebody Love MeJan 1, 20181 votes

I don't mind Jhin outside of lane phase. Literally when I'm pushed in is the only time. Otherwise I love the guy.

The new ADCs have some of the best designs I've seen. Feel good to play as and healthy to play against. That's why I look forward to the next champ being an ADC

UmbraMortemJan 2, 20181 votes

Yeah as long as we never get a champ like Vayne again. Such an unhealthy design... strong against squishy champs, strong against tanks, good at dodging skillshots, has self peel AND chase? For fucks sake leave SOMETHING out of the kit LMFAO.

Somebody Love MeJan 2, 20182 votes

Only weaknesses Vayne has are waveclear, range, and multitarget damage, on top of her meh early game.

FairyfleurJan 1, 20186 votes

Jhin is popular enough when he’s out of meta, no thanks.

AhristocatsDec 31, 201713 votes

Graves because i miss him

Mordekaiser because then i would be able to play melee bot laners into him

saltranDec 31, 20174 votes

I never played adc Graves but I would love to see adc Graves back, maybe being a multi-class champ like Varian in HOTS or something.

GinoSoldierDec 31, 201712 votes

The class as a whole needs to be re-evaluated and its mid-late game burst-per-second concept removed.

Every time an ADC has been taken out of botlane (Graves and Kindred jungle, Quinn and Vayne Top, Lucian and Corki Mid) their winrates spiked insanely hard and needed a harsh nerf. This indicates that the ADC class as a whole is busted. They're meant to match each other at about 50% winrate sure, but against other classes in THEIR respective lanes they crush the opposition.

Crit chance needs to be removed from the game and the extra damage output you'd expect from it be integrated with champion kits, much like Ashe is, with the intent of giving windows of power and counterplay to the class beyond 'A-move and pray for the crits'.

Riot has to choose between ADCs having damage over time, or burst damage. I'm fine with AD casters (Corki, Lucian, MF, Ezreal) doing burst and the more typical ADCs (Jinx, Ashe, Kindred, Vayne) doing damage per second. Not both at once.

If need be, augment their self-defense capacity in exchange for the damage nerf, i don't care. The chainable 800 health crits need to stop.

AhristocatsDec 31, 20179 votes

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. They're meant to match each other at about 50% winrate sure, but against other classes in THEIR respective lanes they crush the opposition.

pretty much

when you play mordekaiser (me everyday) against an other adc you realise that adcs are able to do whatever the fuck they want with a support "you're complaining about teamplay reee" no i'm complaining about imbalance, i don't have any problems with waiting my team i wouldn't have played morde bot if it was the case , but my problem is being morde, suffering if my team suicides and refuse to teamplay, while the enemy adc gets to have reliable long range damage and can carry their team if they're good and their team is trash

that problem is due to the lack of turn rate in league

but wait wait hold on, i didn't say we needed turn rate in league but we need to do something to compensate the lack of turn rate, but riot doesn't want to do anything and that since a long time

now now, riot Asyrite said that in season 9(because season 8 was dedicated to runes reforged) riot will look into making melee damage more reliable to not skewer melees into either defending adcs, or splitpushing

and i can't wait for season 9

AirKingNeoDec 31, 20172 votes

Sorry, bruiser update pushed back. Season 9 is for mages.

AhristocatsDec 31, 20173 votes

hey friend

where did you see that?

as far as i remember mid season was meant for mages, and season 9 for bruisers/melees

source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/KPKccG7T-after-5-years-of-league-i-am-calling-it-quits-at-the-end-of-the-season?comment=0041

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6x0n10/riot_we_have_a_task_to_figure_out_how_to_best/

https://i.gyazo.com/87d93513200e029d9c768a6bfb7ada37.png

AirKingNeoDec 31, 20172 votes

hey now, this is riot games. Bruisers always get pushed back.

AhristocatsDec 31, 20171 votes

but what about the juggernaut rework

that i missed because i was playing dota in the meantime

AirKingNeoDec 31, 20172 votes

You mean:

Fucking up Mordekaiser, not changing anything about Garen except giving him a true damage RNG mechanic so he can't be balanced, not even sure what happened to Skarner, and making Darius an actually good design.

Sounds like only 1 out of 4 was a good idea.

ChargeItDownMidDec 31, 201712 votes

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PoskeDec 31, 20173 votes

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Want a mix of melee and ranged adc viable bot.

Yasuo adc is already viable

AhristocatsDec 31, 20178 votes

he's a cheesy pick that can be easily abused in early game

and even if he were, 1 viable melee vs 18 viable rangeds does not make a mix of melee and ranged existing

AirKingNeoDec 31, 201725 votes

then I want a mix of range and melee viable top

Wait, ranged shouldn't be viable top.

See. What. I. Mean?

ChargeItDownMidDec 31, 201711 votes

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AirKingNeoDec 31, 20172 votes

Cool. I was asking if they should be.

Of course, they shouldn't be.

ChargeItDownMidDec 31, 20178 votes

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AirKingNeoDec 31, 20173 votes

There's no viable marksmen jungle right now.

There's no viable marksmen mid right now.

There isn't even a viable marksmen top lane.

Jinx HunterDec 31, 201712 votes

Jungle: Graves and Ezreal (Kindred needs a better rework) Mid: Lucain, Ezreal, and Jhin Top: Vayne, Quinn, Cait, Gnar, Teemo (yes teemo and gnar are marksmen) and Lucain (though most don't take Lucain there anymore even though he rolfstomps hard unless a jungler stops him or against Riven; just like the rest top lane capable marksmen)

There are viable ones. Just because their not popular there because not many like to run out of meta team comps and don't like to adjust team comps to make weird ones work. Doesn't mean they aren't viable.

AhristocatsDec 31, 201713 votes

you forgot corki for midlane, jhin mid lane is risky varus is safer

and cait cannot go top, cait top is as viable as bot lane melee carry

Jinx HunterDec 31, 20175 votes

TY for the reminder of Corki/Varus mid, I completely forgot about that little bastard and 3 personality boy. An Jhin is risky, not completely unviable, but defiantly not as good as the others mentioned.

As to cait, I've only seen it as a cheese pick, but figured I would mention it anyways.

AirKingNeoDec 31, 20173 votes

Top winrate marksmen jungler is Kindred at #14.

Lucian is Loscian. Ezreal mid? Why pick a mid that can't roam? Jhin? Since when?

Vayne top isn't even good pick right now. Quinn top, despite lethality being good, isn't that great either (nor should ever be). Caitlyn top? Where's the frontliner supposed to be and when has Caitlyn top even been picked all fucking preseason? Gnar and Teemo are anti-bruisers.

Jinx HunterJan 1, 20184 votes

Win rate =/= balance

"Lucain is Lucian" is a copout stamen to avoid making an argument, Ezreal roams just fine and are you forgetting he has a global ulty? Jhin works fine in certain match ups, there is a high elo streamer that says he is better mid (I agree to an extent and I've seen him play him and I've tested it myself). Just because its not popular doesn't mean its bad, just a gamble.

"Vayne top isn't even good pick" subjective and you know it. Only way to stop a vayne top is to have the jungle camp her ass, and thanks to the randomness of SoloQ you can't always count on having a jungler that knows that he should shut down that lane pronto.

"Quinn top, despite lethality being good, isn't that great either" subjective and she works fine and is not popular atm because ornn and maokai shit on everyone in top lane.

"Caitlyn top? Where's the frontliner supposed to be" Oh is there not 2 other lanes plus jungle that one can play a front line capable champ in? My mistake, this must be ARAM.

Just because you religiously adhere to the meta, does not make off meta picks or plays bad.

Teemo and Gnar are still considered marksmen. Nit pick all you want, you not getting around that.

AirKingNeoJan 1, 20183 votes

I said Lucian is Loscian. He sucks.

Or you pick Jax, Kled, or Irelia and beat the shit out of Vayne. Seriously, do you watch any high elo games? Do you see Vayne picked/

Or Quinn just isn't good.

Caitlyn top isn't picked because it isn't good. You literally dodged my argument and made your own.

Just because you religiously adhere to the meta, does not make off meta picks or plays bad.

Maybe the meta is 'the meta' because it's the best, aka the definition of meta. Why should I pick Caitlyn top when Jayce top is better? Why would I pick Caitlyn top if Maokai is a better bully from melee range?

Teemo and Gnar are still considered marksmen. Nit pick all you want, you not getting around that.

Actually, Teemo and Gnar are considered "Unique Playstyles", so if you wanna pull out books then be prepared.

Jinx HunterJan 1, 20183 votes

Cherry picking only high Elo as your reason/argument is not valid. Small sample sizes and win rate is not solely indicative to a champs balance. Not taking into account the ENTIRE player base when it comes to that, is disingenuous and underhanded.

Jax, beats vayne? Sure, if she doesn't knock him back every time he tries to leap on her and then proceeds to squish him like a bug after his counter strike is down. Vayne will abuse the hell out of Irelai and not let her farm and put her so far behind that she is irrelevant, period. Kled you have a point, but that implies you always have pick advantage and can counter pick; you can't. I didn't dodge anything, you asked where would the front line be played if cait is top, i told you. How many times she is picked does not change the fact that when she is cheese picked into a melee there is fuck all they can do, and there are people that take her top lane; just because its not regular doesn't mean its not an abuse case

Quinn is good at what she does, oppressively and one sidedly abusing melee's in top lane and making cheese ganks on mid. She doesn't have to Solo carry to win and often doesn't have to.

The meta is the meta because people are sheep. They see someone better then them use something and automatically assume its the best. Case and point MF support, most did not understand the reason for the pick and picked it without knowing why. Meta's exist solely because sheep exist and can't think outside the box. This is especially true of SoloQ. LCS and organized play =/= regular players. Even all the way up to challenger.

Teemo and Gnar are both marksmen, they both have the marksmen tags and label. Like I said, your not getting round this. Cherry pick it all you like. The fact remains they are top lane marksmen and they cause problems for anything melee, not just bruisers.

AhristocatsDec 31, 20174 votes

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There's no viable marksmen jungle right now.

ezreal is perfectly viable in the jungle, nothing nerfed him in the jungle same with tristana graves is being buffed in next patch

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There's no viable marksmen mid right now.

lol what?

https://i.gyazo.com/569e19c74a524f9506deb4aa01963513.png

just because he's not an autowin like 1 patch ago doesn't mean he isn't "viable"

{quoted}

There isn't even a viable marksmen top lane.

are you talking in general? because when quinn is meta like in the lethality meta she's always played top

anyway, if riot ever makes melee able to go bot, they can still make adcs able to go mid/top/jungle

Pierce The VealDec 31, 20175 votes

Let's see.

Ranged dominates top Ranged dominates mid with a couple exceptions. Ranged is now godlike in jungle. Ranged supports are basically all that's viable right now. And ranged adc is the only possibility.

Melees sort of viable top. Jungle's the main place where melees can do shit. Except for Zed, Fizz, Kass, Yasuo, and Ekko, mid is entirely ranged. But these champs are so mobile they might as well be ranged. ADC belongs to only attack damage ranged champions. Let's not bother with this melee isn't viable as marksmen. And supports are all ranged aside from Leona and Blitz being good.

In fact an all ranged comp is viable and potentially excellent, but an all melee comp would be trash more often than not.

Need we say more? If ranged is going to dominate everything then they shouldn't exist toplane. If they want to share everything then melee better get a share of marksmen.

Somebody Love MeDec 31, 20173 votes

Tank supports are dominating rn have you not seen aftershock??

Pierce The VealDec 31, 20171 votes

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Tank supports are dominating rn have you not seen aftershock??

Look at the winrate and performance charts...

Somebody Love MeJan 1, 20182 votes

Muh winrates

Did you not notice that almost all the ranged supports bot lane are catching some form of direct or indirect nerf, while aftershock remains untouched, despite it and a lot of the champs who use it being clearly unhealthy.

zlumpyDec 31, 201712 votes

I don't want a meta. Everything should be equally playable.

PennsDec 31, 20179 votes

none hehe

Friendly RamDec 31, 20179 votes

Mordekaiser

In all honesty I'd love if most adcs are used been forever since I'd seen a corki or kallista.

Pokemonred200Dec 31, 20179 votes

I thought ADC meta was at its healthiest when Ashe was the best ADC in the game, closely seconded by the item 3153 meta (I still strongly believe that Lucian was the problem back then, not the item itself)

MorticianjohnDec 31, 20176 votes

I think people just want them all to be viable but not mandatory. The boards seemed to like the ziggs bot as an alternative. Ashe was never really complained about when she was meta. I don't see many jhin, varus, or jinx complaints.

Obviously with this kind of question (questioning a group of people for their individual responses) answers will vary

saltranDec 31, 20174 votes

Well Jinx hasn't been meta in years and Varus was one of the adcs in the Ardent meta at Worlds so sure people complained about him. And well, Boards just loves Jhin.

RyrynounetDec 31, 20173 votes

Tbh jhin has insane way to be counterplayed, you can dodge W and R Cough Cough, there's a big windows when he's reloading. When i'm against adcs like tristana or vayne for exemple i know i'm gonna have a bad time sometimes but whenever i'm against a jhin i'm like ho yes !

The Great DivideJan 1, 20182 votes

Individual spells have counterplay, but his overall playstyle gets harder and harder to punish as the Jhin player gets better and better

Athenes LuluJan 1, 20183 votes

{quoted} And well, Boards just loves Jhin.

Just boards? You should've seen Reddit, or just about everywhere else outside Boards.

ThefrostyvikingDec 31, 20176 votes

Ashe !

I like it when Ashe is strong, it means i don't get accused of trolling because i can't do any damage to the enemy tank.

Because it doesn't happen then x)

But more than Ashe becoming meta, i´d really want her passive to be applied to targets that can't be slowed like Yi ulti or Olaf ulti, so that she doesn't lose 2/3rds something of her basic AA damage.

It's bad enough that her abilties hardly work on them :(

hoyohaiJan 1, 20183 votes

Mordekaiser

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