I don't get the Kayn/Rengar/Irelia/Fiora/Kassadin buffs.

option paralysis·Aug 31, 2018·36 votes·14,150 views

All those champions were doing fine, if not great and they get buffed for no reason. And in the same patch Wukong gets nerfed for the same thing they do, only worse. I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Kayn running with the speed of light one shotting everyone with WQAA, rengar too, irelia/fiora are so hard to lane against as another melee, and kassadin got like 5 buffs in a row, don't understand why. You can't catch him and has insane dmg. No bias though.

75 Comments

RαyAug 31, 201829 votes

They want to see flashy champions at worlds. That's all, honestly. That's why they are buffing popular champs that have just barely not been good enough for pro play, yet overbearing in solo queue.

It's dumb.

SleepcomaAug 31, 20182 votes

Rengar isn't really a flashy champ though lol, but there are a lot of pro junglers who do enjoy playing him.

BIFFAug 31, 20183 votes

LC$ BiG PLAY$

Rengar'$ 1 $hot$ are a real crowd plea$er.

More disgusted by the fact that they openly said were just doing this for the worlds flashes.

SleepcomaAug 31, 20181 votes

If Rengar was to be played at worlds he wouldn't be built full damage, most likely warrior into cleaver and then full tank. If he was building full damage he would be completely useless lmao.

HaIlMonitorSep 1, 20181 votes

Get ready for the Ball Delivery comps!

HaIlMonitorSep 1, 20181 votes

Rengar is actually strongly disliked by the majority of the player base because they think he is op... He is a HIGH ELO problem. From plat to diamond his winrate jumps 3.4%. Gold and lower he is sub 50%. This buffs effecting like a whopping 5% of the playerbase lol.

ﬂooAug 31, 20181 votes

I don't understand that argument. I'd rather see someone play a sick outplay with Ryze or sm1 than Rengar oneshots where I think "Ah wow that enemy couldn't do shit against that 1k attack, what a play".

Add92Sep 1, 20181 votes

When I see the millionth Ryze picked in any pro game , i just stop watching .

ﬂooSep 1, 20181 votes

When I see the first Rengar facerolling I would stop watching. It's boring to see people get overrun, have enough of that in my games already. But I can see that always Ryze might get dry at some point, though there's not only him who has a high skill expression.

Warlord RhinarkAug 31, 201813 votes

Fiora was at a 49% win rate and her E didn't scale in tens. A 20% increase in damage on one auto attack shouldn't make that much of a difference.

The rest, I agree. They had absolutely no reason to be buffed, but I don't think Fiora's change is going to end up being game breaking.

BlinkZZ182Aug 31, 20182 votes

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Fiora was at a 49% win rate and her E didn't scale in tens. A 20% increase in damage on one auto attack shouldn't make that much of a difference.

The rest, I agree. They had absolutely no reason to be buffed, but I don't think Fiora's change is going to end up being game breaking.

It is going to make a huge difference. Remember Rammus got only a 10% armor buff on his w and his win rate increased by about 5% in 8.16. Obviously Fiora's E buff has even more impact than Rammus's W

Warlord RhinarkAug 31, 20183 votes

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It is going to make a huge difference. Remember Rammus got only a 10% armor buff on his w and his win rate increased by about 5% in 8.16. Obviously Fiora's E buff has even more impact than Rammus's W

How so?

Fiora's buff is for one auto attack and it does 20% more damage.

Rammus 10% buff on armor is insane. This translates into bonus damage for his auto attacks, bonus reflection damage on his W, and bonus reflection damage on his Thornmail.

Fiora? 20% increased damage on ONE auto attack.

ankoanko19Aug 31, 20181 votes

Because its around 16 extra dmg which is quite good.

Warlord RhinarkAug 31, 20182 votes

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Because its around 16 extra dmg which is quite good.

16 extra damage isn't going to be gamebreaking.

ankoanko19Aug 31, 20182 votes

Of course not. None of the buffs except for Kassadin is in anyway gamebreaking. It will just help her snowball which will lead to her lategame fantasy.

PowerSlave993Aug 31, 20187 votes

LC$ bruh

BisaknospAug 31, 20186 votes

they want these champs to be strong so they'll be picked at worlds

they are flashy enough to be viable

D357R0Y3RAug 31, 20186 votes

kassadin is uncatchable?

kassadin has no fucking powerspike before 2 items or even 3, games are already decided by then

I agree that his buff (which was an early game buff) was insane, but don't tell me that he's uncatchable and has insane damage when he can't do anything before 20 min

DarukongSrAug 31, 20183 votes

kass is virtually impossible to catch post 11 and does insane damage. If he needed early game viability that's fine, but then he should have a love tap nerf towards late game until meta shifts or something.

FeathermaneSep 1, 20181 votes

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kassadin is uncatchable?

kassadin has no fucking powerspike before 2 items or even 3, games are already decided by then

I agree that his buff (which was an early game buff) was insane, but don't tell me that he's uncatchable and has insane damage when he can't do anything before 20 min

This is a League of Legends thread. The Kassadin OP is referring to is a tank that uses Flash (the most broken summoner spell) on a 3 sec CD and gets his one-rotation OHKO burst back during the same interval. I'm sure you have this bullshit champion confused with someone else.

BestealAug 31, 20185 votes

Btw if you think Irelia is hard to lane against on melee you've never played aagainst her as a ranged champ. Also she does terribly in most melee matchups what are you talking about? I like her buff.

Rakdos CacklerAug 31, 20185 votes

I dont know why you think kayn's strong, the champion does literally nothing in the first ten minutes of the game accept pray to sneak kills away from laners. His ganks while, are alright, lack hard cc and he doesnt do any damage on his own. The dude doesnt have a passive, his ult rank one doesn't do that much damage, and he usually puts 2 extra points in his Q for clear speed despite W being the actual damage dealer. His winrate isn't terrible, but he IS sitting at 35th highest winrate jungler on champion.gg, so a slight love tap of a buff will not end the fuckin game. a lot of these champ's are kinda similar, they're fun flashy champions that have only been okay for a long time. Irelia's a fun champ to watch and play, and has SOME counterplay. Fiora's been bleh for a while, rengar can get fucked, and kassadin as previously stated does absolutely nothing pre 15 minutes.

DarukongSrAug 31, 20182 votes

Once kayn becomes tank kayn it fricken sucks to fight against and between wall running , his knockups, and his ult, he has very little counterplay, even often as champs that should counter tanks or assassins.

Rakdos CacklerAug 31, 20182 votes

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Once kayn becomes tank kayn it fricken sucks to fight against and between wall running , his knockups, and his ult, he has very little counterplay, even often as champs that should counter tanks or assassins.

but compared to some of the other junglers that arent great early game, he's way easier to deal with. He's not jax, hell he's not even camille. There are junglers that do very similar things and they do what he wants to better.

SanKakUAug 31, 20183 votes

Kayn becomes a fighter(Red) or an assassin(Blue) but not a tank. You can build either one tanky if you want but it doesn't make him one of the tank class.

DarukongSrSep 1, 20181 votes

Red kayn is literally a mobile assassin/fighter/ tank hybrid. He gets a sizable aoe knockup, tank-like buff in his ult by healing a crap to, and can build tankier or more like a fighter rather than pure damage because he also does %hp damage. If blue Kayne builds tanky he will be pure trash. If red Kayne builds pure damage he will, in many cases, also be trash.

SanKakUSep 1, 20181 votes

I have to emphatically disagree. Red's healing scales with his AD. Because he has in-built healing, resistances are also good on him. Blue's healing also scales with his AD. Because he does not have an excess of healing, and deals burst damage and his primary targets deal a lot of damage, a larger health pool benefits him better than resistances do.

AmazoXAug 31, 20184 votes

Seriously though why were these champions ever buffed?

Bad DreeamAug 31, 20187 votes

LC$

VyntriusAug 31, 20184 votes

What are you talking about? Wukong got buffed this patch, not nerfed.

Daddy AntsAug 31, 201821 votes

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What are you talking about? Wukong got buffed this patch, not nerfed.

Wukong players are starting to be like Ahri players.

MY CHAMPION ISN'T 54% WIN RATE AND 1 SHOTTING PEOPLE SO HE NEEDS BUFFS!11

big boi edriAug 31, 20184 votes

It's more that he can't do anything but 1 shot, and they nerfed him hard... then said they wont rework him any time soon. Basically just guttering the champ with no plans to fix.

Sharpest glassesAug 31, 20184 votes

no its not like Ahri.

When u pick Wukong u insta lose your lane if you and your ennemy are at same level. So you lose lane, you won't outscale, you wont even be better than tanks in team fight (when players know how to play).

They nerfed his damages so hard... and they say they won't rework him.

Ahri was buffed and "reworked". And to begin, Ahri is a mage with cc... you can't compare both. Wukong is a solo laner... losing every lane.

SanKakUAug 31, 20183 votes

I found a lot more success as Wukong in jungle than I ever did as Wukong in middle or top lane.

º Lamb calls ºAug 31, 20181 votes

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no its not like Ahri.

When u pick Wukong u insta lose your lane if you and your ennemy are at same level. So you lose lane, you won't outscale, you wont even be better than tanks in team fight (when players know how to play).

They nerfed his damages so hard... and they say they won't rework him.

Ahri was buffed and "reworked". And to begin, Ahri is a mage with cc... you can't compare both. Wukong is a solo laner... losing every lane.

Wukong has mostly been a jungler for a long time now... Either way, he's been doing fine both top/mid. You're just not doing it right.

Sharpest glassesAug 31, 20181 votes

You're just not doing it right.

Stop making asumption based on void.

You don't play the champ, your only base is stat from site like opgg.

big boi edriAug 31, 20183 votes

Idk prob the repeated nerfs he got last couple patches. And idk why they gave him 8% AS, that doesn't do anything for him really. Technically it's a buff, but I mean its worthless.

Jinzo TorranceAug 31, 20183 votes

Irelia buffs were 100% because someone working at Riot couldn't climb out of silver.

DarukongSrAug 31, 20183 votes

Fuck riot. I will never watch their dumbass world's with the games they are playing. Who the heck wants to watch pros in a game they are losing interest or one in which they know champ diversity and viability is rigged. We all want our main to be viable pro play, and if we happen to like non flashy champs due to their character design or gameplay, then we are screwed. I want most champs (I know some like ryze and azir are too hard to balance right now) to be viable, not just the ones the ftards up at riot think should be. I want to see champs like Darius, Yorick, lissandra and udyr, not just the the flashy popular champs (who are often popular because riot promotes them at world's so mcu lmao).

Diana holeAug 31, 20182 votes

Because kayn isn't particularly useful in higher tiers as he has no presence in the early game, which isn't good as a jungler

Hemulen MagiAug 31, 20182 votes

Irelia buffs = ...But I don't actually see Irelia buffs listed at surrender@20. Fiora buffs = BOO! Top lane tanks already can't compete without this counter being needlessly buffed. Kassadin buffs = Alright, reasonable enough but Riot needs to be careful now. A small AP ratio/scaling added on Nether Blade's on-hit would be nicer than ult cooldown buffs in my opinion.

Kayn Rengar ... at least their buffs aren't damage buffs, so I am relatively okay with it. item 3147 item 3095 are getting some balance changes too, though arguably the duskblade change is pretty neutral on these two champs since their combos are pretty brainlessly reliable so the lethality buffs will translate into reliable damage for them.

Literal IRL TreeAug 31, 20182 votes

Rengar: They nerfed 2 of Rengar's items (Duskblade and Stormrazor) by giving him 20/10/0 off his ult CD. How is this such a big deal? It makes it easier to effectively put pressure on the map because his only real way of ganking is either walk through brushes to lane gank (side lanes) or have ult. Kayn: Blue Kayn was garbage. Red Kayn is basically ALWAYS better they buffed him by making his E go faster and last slightly longer. Buffing his ability to surprise people without also buffing Red Kayn too much while also not touching his damage numbers. Irelia: Sell skins. Placebo buff to get people to buy it. 30% extra damage to MINIONS isn't going to do much if anything saying you already 1 shot the backline minions and i'm fairly certain 30% more isn't going to 1 shot melee minions. Fiora: The only "real" damage buff here. 20%/15%/10%/5%/0% extra damage. On a single auto. Every 13/11/9/7/5 seconds. Keep in mind she maxes this second so the extra damage will really only affect 2/3 items. Kassadin: The only one i actually agree with being too much. "But his ult only going down by 1/.5/0 second dude its nothing!!" It is his main use of waveclear/mobility/dps. Maybe instead buff his base AD or base damage on another ability early game.

AtmosphereAug 31, 20182 votes

Even Phreak said in his patch breakdown that a lot of the buffs were completely unnecessary for their champions.

LordKentravyonAug 31, 20181 votes

At least kayn ones are iust utility and not damage

ankoanko19Aug 31, 20182 votes

neither is irelias

LordKentravyonSep 9, 20181 votes

Ya but irelias gives her better CSing I kinda hate having an irelia on ny team becuase with all the bonus damage she gets to minions + reset she will often starve out her team

Its a lot of fun having her come to your lane and insta gib 3-5 of the minions before your AA-skill even reaches them

ankoanko19Sep 9, 20181 votes

If she does that she is trying to stack her passive. Tip: If you play with a good Irelia, dont waveclear the casters. She is most likely trying to engage.

LordKentravyonSep 15, 20181 votes

They really arn't you will be farming a wave no enemies nearby / in engage range she walks in insta kill waves and walks out

I Love RosesSep 1, 20181 votes

Dude wukong just got buffed, tf you on about?

BearExperimentSep 15, 20181 votes

This game sucks honestly. 140 characters and everyone picks the same safe easy meta garbage over and over. Riot is fine with it. No more rotating game modes so I can't even play for fun anymore.