When the ADC rework came out all the posts were "HOLY SH** WHY DO ADC'S HAVE MORE CDR" "RIOT FAVORS AD CHAMPIONS" "AD ITEMIZATION SO MUCH BETTER THEN AP" and things like that
When the mage rework was coming "marksmen were abandoned" "ADC's have no options"
Don't you just love how consistent the boards are?Cough Sarcasm cough
Supreme Senpai696 votesWell actually when the mage update happened people were still saying Riot favored ADCs and Mages were all being screwed. I've never seen a post saying ADCs have no options.
But yeah, people only complain on the boards. Let's say Person A and person B have totally opposite preferences about league. After a change, one of them will be happy and one will be unhappy. The unhappy one will complain on the boards while the happy one will enjoy the game. When that gets changed, it reverses. It's not like it's the same guy swapping his opinion every month :P
Mhihnj2 votesADCs have no options
I heard this from A Lucian the other day
Supreme Senpai691 votesProbably one of those people that has no business playing that, but heard Lucian was OP and wanted a win lol.
Slythion5 votesThis is a place to complain, regardless of the authenticity of the complaint :3
It's a sad but true statement
Beldair2 votesI have an issue with your statement.
It is both unreasonable and ignorant.
he says in a sacrastic voice XD
But seriously, you are right. People just like to complain and downvote anyone that disagrees.
Whut Thuh 1 votesbecause the majority of people dont come to the boards to congratulate riot, those people are enjoying the game, the people that come here are the ones unsatisfied with this issue or that issue or this punishment or this change, and everyone argues and nothing is accomplished, i swear that boards moderation is like that thing that no one wants to do and its the job people get as a punishment lol.
(or for interns)
lilpokfluf5 voteslike how everyone's currently crying about S ranks instead of solo queue for the moment
Dreadlocks1 votesSince the grading system came out it seems like 30-40% of the posts i skim are crying about "omg i did so good no S?"
Beldair2 votesDon't forget the support mains coming out saying how much harder it is for a Support to get an S. (Something i laugh at with my S rank on Braum XD)
Dreadlocks1 votesIt's almost as if people are more upset by a grade than they are LP
Whut Thuh 1 votesthey complain about ranking system when they should complain about the reason they have to get them, which is the silly hextech crafting bs called mastery 6 and 7.. wish it was purely based on s ranks rather than adding hextech crafting into it... seems silly
Solari Fortune4 votesPlayers: WE WANT CHANGE Riot: Ok here have change Players: WTF RIOT WHY ARE YOU CHANGING THE GAME IT WAS FINE, I'M QUITTING AND MAKING A POST ABOUT IT BUT ACTUALLY JUST GONNA COME BACK THE NEXT DAY Riot: . . . .
PbJMpP4xzk1 voteslook at my match history and tell me i didn't quit k. you are being very unlogical let me fix this for you.
some peoples wan't changes to favor them and theirs ways to play league. Riot shouldn't give them any attention, still they proceed to do so. players who never asked for changes come and complains which they are right to do. Riot don't even give a phuck but making more money.
there you go its fixed for you and ur welcome.
Kal Vas Flam3 votesJust to play devil's advocate I will point out that most of the reworked ADC's have been heavily nerfed since their initial reworks. To the point where Kalista and Lucian, two ADC's that weren't part of the rework, are now the only 2 ADC's truly considered top tier. Cait's range has kept her relevant, but the other ADC's have pretty much been reduced to a worst state than they were before the reworks. The one other exception might be Graves, but even then I feel like he's played because of his ability to be a jungle carry more than because he's a good ADC.
Beldair3 votesSivir is still strong too though. She is one of the few ADCs that can hit you behind your minion wave from safety.
Just imagine a crit ricochet...deadly.
Kal Vas Flam1 votesSivir is still strong too though. She is one of the few ADCs that can hit you behind your minion wave from safety.
Just imagine a crit ricochet...deadly.
You're right I forgot about Sivir. It's funny cause all the ADC's that were really strong after the rework are not mid or even bottom tier and the ADC's that still needed to be buffed a little have risen closer to top tier. I don't even know anymore.
Beldair1 votesI only feel like Corki truly got anything good out of the rework.
Then again, i recently picked up Ezreal. While my cs is worse than when i am Sivir, i end up being able to be more aggressive like I usually am in bot as a tanky support (low elo bots i've faced learned to fear the Sej support lol). And i do actually like Ezreal adc (just not sure if i should go with my typical adc build or hybrid lol)
Whut Thuh 1 votesalthough now that you think of it she was popular in the lcs throughout the marksman update and season 5 into s6
Lady Hammerlock2 votesJust to play devil's advocate I will point out that most of the reworked ADC's have been heavily nerfed since their initial reworks. To the point where Kalista and Lucian, two ADC's that weren't part of the rework, are now the only 2 ADC's truly considered top tier. Cait's range has kept her relevant, but the other ADC's have pretty much been reduced to a worst state than they were before the reworks. The one other exception might be Graves, but even then I feel like he's played because of his ability to be a jungle carry more than because he's a good ADC.
Yeah the marksmen update partly failed and succeeded
was just gutted into the ground
although much better then she used to be,still has one of the worst kit designs in the game
is middle ground,but overall they completely changed Quinn from who she used to be(that i dislike)
Ashe was relatively untouched for the most part,her range,utility and damage keeps her relevant
Her late game and range keeps her relevant and is by far the most successful of the updates
in this weird spot of normally being to tanky with burst
Late game and team fight power keep him relevant
Her utility,massive multiunit damage and wave clear make her so strong with the CDR items
In a fine spot actually pretty middle ground
To strong and way to bursty(strong at all stages for the most part)
Hypermobile-Decent scaling champion with some utility which keeps her relevant
Tristana has just been in a weird spot after the meta shifts recently(and the regaled change) She scales very well but just gets heavily out classed by Caitlyn and Ashe
5.00 AS leads to some nasty occasionally unhealthy interactions
Middle ground overall remains in the meta so as long as she is played by someone who is experienced with her
Good poke,DMG,and burst just seems to have fallen out of favour for most
A majority of them landed in the "Dangerous to balance spot" others "Lost old self spot" and some "Weak spots"
Beldair3 votesI have to agree.
Though i played Sivir, Ashe, Twitch, and Corki adc with good success (primarily my Crit Sivir adc....a deadly marksman there).
And i actually just bought Ezreal and in my first match (pvp) as him, got 8 kills. I just need to work on my cs as him. It is way lower than when i play Ashe or Sivir.
Whut Thuh 1 votesthe changes riot implemented to try and make them "unique" almost completely backfired and most of them either continued doing exactly what they were doing or moved to a completely new role and dominated it because of their new traits (quinn and graves)
YumaS2Astral1 votesI still think that AD itemization is so much better than AP. ADCs generally have better options overall because while mages technically also have multiple options, those are multiple options which don't fit on every mage, which is not the case for ADCs.
Yaskamasandwich1 votesWelcome to the boards where people want one thing but it was the opposite. Then revealed later it was actually both and neither. Problem is that there is wayyy too many people so one crowd is going to get mad, speak out load, and may actually quit till next season or forever. The other two are one being a happy crowd, and one that just doesn't care and both will be silent and will keep playing. Change is a must regardless and the cycle begins a new.
Vistha Kai1 votesI don't think I've seen one legit thread about "ADCs getting nerfed" because of MYMU.
Considering Zhonya changes it was quite the opposite actually.
Critmaster Garen1 votesi still think adc shouldnt have access to cdr and carry stats in the same build. cdr is traditionally a caster stat and spell multiplier, while adc already deal tons of damage with auto attacks thanks to crit and attack speed.
items like death dance that give ad champions cdr options are fine.
the new essence reaver, that gives ad carries manasustain and almost fucking cdr cap in the same build as 70% crit, lifesteal and attack speed are not ok.
i mean look at jinx for example. essece reaver completely breaks the mana gating on her rockets. she was never supposed to be able to infinitely sustain those things. and then lucian who was already stupid op with the item after its release. just because hes switched to the cleaver build right now, doesnt mean essence reaver is ok on him either.
SKT T1 LaFlame1 votesIf you can grasp the concept of personal bias then I would hope that you can deduce why this happens. Obviously ADC mains are gonna complain about updated mages, and vice versa because of their inherent bias. But a good way to avoid this is to disregard any remark about balance unless it is a coherent thought/question/idea about why something in the game is flawed and how it can be fixed.
Athenes Lulu1 votesWait, they said that?
I did remember people saying ADCs are "weak" but nowhere saying ADCs have no options. Unless them having to build defense counts, because they had been having a choice for that for the longest time, just different items to pick and choose from today.
But you know, it's just game forums in a nutshell. People complain, will support things they agree, and ignore things they don't agree even if it makes sense.