@PSA for riot, dont fall for the jungle mains crying

Rexxiee·Apr 29, 2018·6 votes·1,032 views

Of course that if you nerf an overpowered role its mains are going to cry non stop about their freelo role being harder to play, but dont cave to them.

Top laners and immobile mid laners have been suffering for multiple months the oppressive state of junglers and the whole spam gank/camp that is very easy to do and very rewarding at the same time with little to no counter play for the laner.

Its about time we got back our 1v1 laning phase back, no more lvl 3 junglers with full health and double buffs 2:40 in top lane while im lvl 2.

5 Comments

OtherworldzApr 29, 20184 votes

Main Jungler complaints:

"I'll be forced to fight the other jungler at level 2-3 over scuttle crabs, this will make so many junglers BAD AND USELESS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD EARLY."

You mean like how laners are forced to fight at level 2-3 against their counterpicks every game? The same reason that lane dominant picks crowd out other champions for patches at a time and make certain champions unplayable when that's the only lane they can be played in?

"WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO FARM OR GANK? YOU TAKE AWAY MY EARLY PRESSURE."

No Riot is finally balancing the jungle around leashing which they should've done a long time ago. The truth is Jungler's don't want to give up that early gank cheese where they are a level up with double buffs because it's the most likely to succeed due to having the least counterplay on the side of a solo laner other than blowing a flash(and still being forced back) or just not interacting with the other laner in a PvP environment at all.

"LEE SIN IS GONG TO BE THE BEST ALL OTHER JUNGLERS WLL BE TROLL PICKS."

Right now Jungler's have far more diversity than any solo lane as far as viable picks go. The jungle is not your ticket to freely scale up without having to get your hands dirty the way that solo laner's have to. Strong invade junglers exist, and they exist for a reason. You don't get to just rush to level 3 get off your early gank cheese and play hide and go seek with the enemy jungler all game until lanes end.

saltranApr 29, 20181 votes

Solo laners can't have their dream 1vs1 in a 5vs5 game, we should nerf jungler then.

KhristophorosApr 29, 20181 votes

To be fair junglers get jerked around every season.

Riot please decide how jungling should work and commit to it.

PiggyTheAstroApr 29, 20181 votes

Hehehe I'm happy my main will become (kinda) viable thanks to the changes.

RatpieApr 29, 20181 votes

The problem is not it will make it harder, the problem is that it is widening an already problematic gap. Right now there are a top few burst AD champs that carry jungle, and then there are the rest who at best break even, but mostly are a weight to their team. This change is going to push the struggling junglers who are already being less and less played into oblivion. The champs that everyone are complaining about for early ganks? They are going to be even stronger! The Scuttle becomes free game unless everyone picks the same dumb champions in jungle. It is just giving gold to the already accelerated jungle champs. The only way this can get countered is to have a smaller meta group OR it will be a team fight over it.

I think that an adjustment in jungle is needed, but only for those junglers that are causing the problem, instead of crushing all junglers.

Example:

Skarner is a champ literally designed around the jungle, yet he struggles compared to the hyerpcarries in jungle. This will only make it worse. He will not be able to vs a lot of the quick burst champs over scuttle. So people are saying that he needs to then go invade the other jungle side if scuttle pops up to counter. So lets look at 2 possibilities. 1. Scuttle appears in the jungle opposite of what the enemy just cleared. Lower tier junglers cannot just go clear the other jungle side because it already is done. 2. Scuttle appears in the side the jungler already cleared and so this leaves 1 side open for the invade while they go for scuttle. 1st this only really works if your path does not already have you on the other side to begin with. Even if you happen to get lucky, any smart team will have a ward and just rotate to destroy the invading jungler. And lets be real, the burst AD junglers will be able to clear scuttle so fast it won't even take up their time much. The RNG of it kills any real strategy.

I think overall it is bad idea, but at least make a spawn pattern so that junglers can plan their paths.

Or maybe just address the real issue. People are sick of early ganks, then make vision wards longer range, or gank gold worth less, or some way to make it harder to gank so junglers actually have to consider the risk. I am going to laugh when people get mad that this hasn't actually fixed anything and now all they see in jungle is all the champs they hate.