Xin Zhao's reworked ultimate should remove shields on enemies.

Arcyyy··43 votes·2,840 views

We currently have no ability in the game that can break or remove shields. Why not give it to THE duelist champion? We gave a dash stopping ability to THE peel champion Poppy and we made THE antimage actually scale well with mr Galio , we cant we make THE demacian duelist remove shields from people so they have to fight him on their own terms?

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TyrekGoldenspear27 votes

So... Have him hit people so hard...

Be so manly...

That he can knock the shields off people?

That may very well turn out to be broken, but darn it I want that to be a thing.

SEKAI7 votes

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So... Have him hit people so hard...

Be so manly...

That he can knock the shields off people?

That may very well turn out to be broken, but darn it I want that to be a thing.

He even has a quote (his joke) that says "Find me an immovable object, and I'll put this question to rest!" That is a reference to the infamous sharpest spear vs the sturdiest shield, ie the irresistible force paradox.

Xin with shield-remove (at least on his "challenged" target) HAS TO be a thing, it's written all over the stars!

Big Lincoln15 votes

oh no you removed Janna shield on her ADC

oh nevermind, it's back up

Vallalan2 votes

sad but true. the real issue with shields is they have a duration that is long enough that by the time it ends another one is ready...

SociopathFriend13 votes

Maybe for his challenged opponent, not everyone he hits.

Arcyyy4 votes

thats what i meant sorry.

Ithil Snek10 votes

THE Demacian duelist? Why would Fiora need that? :p

Skins Project5 votes

THE duelist champion

GREAT IDEA! Let's add it to fiora :3

Hello I am Bird1 votes

he aint wrong tho.

Hellioning5 votes

I mean, I don't see how 'duelist' and 'removing shields' has anything to do with each other.

Also, 'THE Demacian Duelist' is Fiora. The hint is in the title. Xin Zhao is supposed to dive into the enemy team. 'Not even the odds can stand against me!' and all that.

NLGG3R BEATER1 votes

He's literally THE gladiator champ. And no It's not Draven, Draven just executes people who attempt to run away, Xin is supposed to charge into his desired target, knock all unwanted targets aside and eviscerate his victim. Shields should not be able to stop him; nothing should.

Gameplay wise Xin can both a duelist/skirmisher and a diver. If you build warrior/triforce/hydra on him he excels at diving. If you build rageblade/bork/visage on him however then he excels at luring 1v1/2/3/4s into him. Since his sustain is unparalleled and his DPS is tank busting.

Dirty Bastard4 votes

Yes, and they should die if he just looks at them too!

Arcyyy8 votes

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Yes, and they should die if he just looks at them too!

Thats like saying if your team doesnt have a janna / lulu / ivern / rakan you die.

Dirty Bastard1 votes

That is nothing like saying that, your making shit up. its about ppl who want their fav champ to be OP and have some game changing ability. Its dumb and its self serving.

ChaosThief1 votes

Well he got down to business. And gave you a grey screen.

Final Spark Lux4 votes

First off, it would be on "His terms", not "theirs". Nobody would choose to fight without a shield if they had one. Gl with that though, it's never gonna happen. Theres counterplay to everything. This has none. This is in the same boat as old wits end, and it's been suggested for champions before.

PB4UAME3 votes

You're forgetting the easiest counterplay of all. Avoid the damn thing in the first place.

Weasel Kensei2 votes

Hey look, hes hitting our inhibitor...we had better stop hi...

NO, avoiding him is the only counterplay, lets just "avoid it" and see what happens...

DEFEAT

Oh thats what happens when you can only "avoid" as "counterplay."

PB4UAME1 votes

No, you're simply strawmaning me.

His ult, as now, and in most forms I could imagine is a skill shot, that takes time to travel, while also being rather short range, as it originates from Xin himself. It can be avoided with a well timed dash, or blink (including Flash) as well as proper positioning; the people most benefited by shield tend to be in the backline, and would likely be far out of range, provided their frontline is actively locking down or peeling the enemy team. I would not say it is unreasonable to expect carries to be able to avoid the ult in a teamfight, unless already caught out.

LordGeovanni1 votes

how about them ranged auto attacks and nukeing spells. ignore than xin is a short range champion that either has damage and dies quickly or doesnt die immediately but has no damage

AirKingNeo4 votes

Disable refreshing the shield constantly too.

A weapon to 1v1 Riven through her shield spam.

Faceroll Tactics4 votes

I don't know how useful that would be on an ultimate, blowing a massive cooldown so that the 300 hp shield can go away...

It'd be good into Karma but riot doesn't like counterpicks

Arcyyy1 votes

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I don't know how useful that would be on an ultimate, blowing a massive cooldown so that the 300 hp shield can go away...

It'd be good into Karma but riot doesn't like counterpicks

I mean poppy isn't optimal into a fully immobile team but she still works.

pixelvoxel1 votes

It's easy to push those kinds of people around.

ZyniX3 votes

Great idea. Shield metas are quite annoying and I've been wishing for an executioner/morello for shields.

RainXBlade2 votes

That suddenly got me thinking on the idea of, "If GW can reduce the amount of shielding a target can get....." Not sure if this is balanced or not, but we need something like this for this shield meta.

LordGeovanni1 votes

gw and partcularly item 3165 and item 3033 do too much already

AmenPerson3 votes

This would screw Tahm so hard that, uh, I don't really know a good thing to use.

But yeah, it'd screw him hard. I like this idea.

LordGeovanni1 votes

just have to increase the ult timer accordingly so it doesnt do it too often its not too op a tool.

Rawrˆˆ1 votes

Yeah, overbuff that already strong champion.

NLGG3R BEATER7 votes

Xin is literally garbage atm, maybe slightly better than Udyr/Volibear if played correctly but still trash tier.

Rawrˆˆ1 votes

early game he's really strong.

Cosmic Warper1 votes

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early game he's really strong.

yeah in silver

Steelflame1 votes

Xins getting a rework..... This was the guy spitballing an idea as to what could be on that rework. Seriously, Xin's current state means NOTHING as to what he will be.

Also, Xin's a pub-stomp, but looking at you, looks like you exist in those pubs that he stomps.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Why does they all have to be demacian? Huh? Huh??

Poske1 votes

Great suggestion +1

It would be also nice it if disabled shield casts as a debuff after it breaks em (for few seconds)

JuhnChan1 votes

This is actually pretty genius.

SquashCannon1 votes

Because xin zhao isn't THE duelist champion.

That spot is reserved for both Fiora and Nasus

Nasus being the most prominent of all duelists.

Arcyyy1 votes

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Because xin zhao isn't THE duelist champion.

That spot is reserved for both Fiora and Nasus

Nasus being the most prominent of all duelists.

As a Camille main this statement triggers me.

50000000000000001 votes

Xin Zhao not feeling like using a spear was a concern iirc (as in, he could use a different weapon visually and his kit would still make sense), so maybe give him a lot of armor pen/shield pen in his rework?

sirwaterfles1 votes

Good idea to try but i think it will need a lot of iterating and lot of side options that need to be forfilled . Would be great if they can work it in in a balanceble form that doesnt just completely ruins some champs.

Sire Hippington1 votes

Why would you rework his ultimate though? It's the one great skill in his kit, it fits himn as a duelist(createing a duel even in a teamfight), gives utillity to be usefull in teamfights aswell, even if behind. It also has alot of skill expression as timeing and positioning makes a huge difference. Not against giveing him some tools vs shields, but his ult is not the place for it.

Martyrofsand1 votes

Last I checked wasn't the Demacian Duelist Fiora...you know the "Grand Duelist" and all?

That aside um every single champ in the game has the ability to remove shields save for Morgana's shield that only gets removed by AP champs. It's called damage and everyone does it.

LordGeovanni1 votes

i like it despite maining fighters and tanks who have and need shields the most in fights though it usually gets saved for after they die and marksmen get collapsed on. Xin's ult would need a high cooldown even at level 3 though.

WhiperSnapers1 votes

cant we make THE demacian duelist remove shields from people so they have to fight him on their own terms?

Braum: My shield is my sword!

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

Shields are for the weak. Use spears instead.

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