Can someone explain how he had a room for buff ? (Pyke)

ValiantKiller·Aug 5, 2019·6 votes·1,404 views

According to the patch where that cancer got buffed.

Riot balance team said " There was a room for a buff " can someone explain , How a champion with free lane sustain and healing, free escapes, easy executioner skill that depend on flat HP (destroying the squishy unlike ) and it only counter is stopwatch plus on all of that a damn CC as assassin.

Where is the room for a buff in that bunch of bullshit broken champion ? Right none and here we go sitting with balance problems cause of that again

15 Comments

Sinister AnubisAug 5, 20193 votes

Yes he needs nerfs he really has no down side.

HotarµAug 5, 20194 votes

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Yes he needs nerfs he really has no down side.

...how does he not have downsides?

He has no allied heals, no allied shields, his abilities are telegraphed, his peel is inconsistent, his actual damage output is very low, and some of his hardest counters are super meta right now (Sona, Nami, etc.)

The thigh guyAug 13, 20192 votes

He has room for a buff because riots Wallet still had room for more cash with his new skin. Dur.

HotarµAug 5, 20191 votes

Riot balance team said " There was a room for a buff " can someone explain ,

Because following the nerfs targeted at solo-Pyke, his support winrate tanked to a 46-48% across most ELOs.

Not saying I agree with this particular buff, in fact I think it's pretty ridiculous, but there was actually room for him to get buffed. If I were in charge I would have given back the % damage bonus on his Q and slowly worked him up from there if that wasn't enough.

Sinister AnubisAug 5, 20192 votes

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Because following the nerfs targeted at solo-Pyke, his support winrate tanked to a 46-48% across most ELOs.

Not saying I agree with this particular buff, in fact I think it's pretty ridiculous, but there was actually room for him to get buffed. If I were in charge I would have given back the % damage bonus on his Q and slowly worked him up from there if that wasn't enough.

Wrong. He is unpunishable in lane he can't be killed and the gold he gets from his ulti is way to much. Just look up pyke on the forums i can point out about 100 threads who disagree with you. Given that you play him by a lot and almost every game you have double digit kills shows how biased you are that you dont want your favorite champion gutted. Also you have 333 games on pyke with a 60% winrate hmmmm seems a little on the strong side. So excuse me if i dont take your words on how he has a downside you clearly are biased.

FalnAug 5, 20193 votes

Lmfao, whoever plays the game has a bias lol. You clearly don't know the weakness of pyke laneing, first off before his nerf to his E and Q, he was already struggling in lane to cs and waveclear. Now they completely gutted the waveclearing of pyke, any champion such as malzahar and xerath will shove you completely out of being able to rotate and roam. Everyone tries to fight and kill the pykes in lane like apes instead of shoving him in and abusing the fact that he has dogshit waveclear. New pyke R is op, but so is the nerfs on his Q and E. While in laning phase you can easily dodge his E stun with any champ that has a semi dash like corki, and dont even start on his Q hook. His Q hook is worse than thresh because of the slow from charging it up, and we all fucking know to stand behind minions while hes charging it. His immobility when you are charging the Q is also imperfect, he has to release his spear in order to remove the slow debuff so it makes him vulnerable to skillshots. Outshove, Outroam, Outimpact the pyke, stop fighting with him like a ape. With his impact on his R, either you hit it or you dont. In season 9 we all know so many people buy stopwatches and zhonyas, a simple counter to every assassin including pyke. With his big reward on successfully executing his enemy, he also has the risk of missing the R which sets their lead back especially when someone flashes the pyke R, then he is completely useless in that 5v5. Second, Pyke gets alot of double digit kills because he strives on picks and mistakes of people epecially below masters just like talon etc. Third, while in a 5v5 teamfight, you rely on your team to deal damage to the enemies to get them relatively low enough for an squishy assassin to be able to go in while having the pressure to using R on the right targets because of stopwatches, zhonyas, GAs, flashes, dashes, invulnerabilities, etc. If you miss that, you have less impact in that fight that a tibbers.

HotarµAug 5, 20194 votes

Wrong. He is unpunishable in lane he can't be killed and the gold he gets from his ulti is way to much.

...absolutely everything I said still stands. No allied shields, no allied heals, etc. Although that comment right there shows me how uninformed you are when it comes to Pyke.

You do not focus Pyke in lane. You focus his ADC.

Of course he's going to seem unpunishable when he's designed to heal off large amounts of poke. So you know what you do? Punish his ADC who won't be getting heals or shields. Wait until you have more reliable damage and then lock Pyke down since he'll die instantly.

Just look up pyke on the forums i can point out about 100 threads who disagree with you. Given that you play him by a lot and almost every game you have double digit kills shows how biased you are that you dont want your favorite champion gutted.

And note how many of those posts I'm in, constantly giving helpful advice and showing people how to beat Pyke consistently. Then I get downvoted because "Pyke has no counterplay he's broken!!!" or some other lazy, baseless response.

Also, don't want my favorite champion gutted? Read my other response on this thread before you start making assumptions.

"Not saying I agree with this particular buff, in fact I think it's pretty ridiculous, but there was actually room for him to get buffed. If I were in charge I would have given back the % damage bonus on his Q and slowly worked him up from there if that wasn't enough."

Also you have 333 games on pyke with a 60% winrate hmmmm seems a little on the strong side. So excuse me if i dont take your words on how he has a downside you clearly are biased.

First off, I've had a 55-70%+ winrate since Pyke's release. I also have way more than 333 games. So me having a consistently good winrate with my main champion ultimately doesn't mean anything. I've been doing well on Pyke through every stage of the champion, from when he was strong to when he was weak.

If a Kalista player has a 75% WR with 300 games... that doesn't mean Kalista is broken.

Secondly, again, see point #2. I don't agree with this particular Pyke buff but he's still not overpowered.

FalnAug 5, 20191 votes

Just need to revert him back to patch 9.12 Pyke and reduce some of that passive healing, then hes pretty balanced lol. All people complain about his how they are fighting a pyke 24/7 like apes and not being able to kill him. If they cant dodge a Pyke Hook then they def cant dodge blitz or thresh.

Sinister AnubisAug 13, 20192 votes

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Because following the nerfs targeted at solo-Pyke, his support winrate tanked to a 46-48% across most ELOs.

Not saying I agree with this particular buff, in fact I think it's pretty ridiculous, but there was actually room for him to get buffed. If I were in charge I would have given back the % damage bonus on his Q and slowly worked him up from there if that wasn't enough.

Nothing you say will convince me because you are a pyke main with very biased opinion.. I dont mind pyke support so much his solo lane where you dont have the ability to punish him cause of his healing. His W and E make it impossible for solo kills and ganks alike. If you all in him and dont kill him and he walks back gains much of his health back and now you are out of cool downs he owns you. I can legit point you 100 forum posts with hundreds of upvotes that completely disagree with you on everything you wrote. So nice try.

HotarµAug 14, 20191 votes

Nothing you say will convince me because you are a pyke main with very biased opinion..

So you're being ignorant and not actually seeking real balance discussion.

Yep, pretty much what I expected from the Boards.

I can legit point you 100 forum posts with hundreds of upvotes that completely disagree with you on everything you wrote. So nice try.

And I don't care, because the majority of those posts ignore Pyke's clear windows of counterplay and all attempts to actually discuss him in a constructive sense.

Kind of like what you're doing now! Ignorance is bliss to some, apparently.

Sinister AnubisAug 15, 20192 votes

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So you're being ignorant and not actually seeking real balance discussion.

Yep, pretty much what I expected from the Boards.

And I don't care, because the majority of those posts ignore Pyke's clear windows of counterplay and all attempts to actually discuss him in a constructive sense.

Kind of like what you're doing now! Ignorance is bliss to some, apparently.

Again you are a pyke main ofc you dont want your favorite champion to be nerf. The fact is his kit is over loaded. I mean his heal is insane he gets like 90% of his hp back he can heal in combat its starts healing right away once out of vision no delay and its rapid! His W and E makes it impossible to catch him out and kill him. His ulti deals true damage its an exocute only way to dodge it is flashing it has a reset mechanic and it gives him double gold + allies get gold. Its actualy fucking broken not just one part of his kit but multiple parts. Just for the record other pyke mains agree with me you are one of very few people who dont agree with me. As it sits right now there is no answer to pyke especially a solo lane pyke support pyke maybe you can all in him if hes bad but even then you wont kill him because of the things i have mentioned.

Heres one post from a so called pyke main who is asking for nerfs. Like the champion needs reworked or nerfed and i have good idea's where to focus. If you would like to heard them. Other wise i wont waste my time explaining anything to you because you refuse to hear any negative changes to your beloved champion. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/11hcIh88-as-a-pyke-main-please-nerf-him

HotarµAug 15, 20191 votes

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Again you are a pyke main ofc you dont want your favorite champion to be nerf.

You see, this is why ignorance is a bad thing.

I haven't said anything about not nerfing Pyke, understand? I'm not asking for buffs, I'm not asking for him to stay in his current state, I actively dislike the changes that were given to Pyke and think they were too much.

Unfortunately, you seem incapable of understanding that because you're so deluded with rage for anyone who plays Pyke. It's sad. Not going to respond to the rest of your comment or any future ones you make because it's clearly a waste of my time. Have a great day!

Sinister AnubisAug 15, 20191 votes

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You see, this is why ignorance is a bad thing.

I haven't said anything about not nerfing Pyke, understand? I'm not asking for buffs, I'm not asking for him to stay in his current state, I actively dislike the changes that were given to Pyke and think they were too much.

Unfortunately, you seem incapable of understanding that because you're so deluded with rage for anyone who plays Pyke. It's sad. Not going to respond to the rest of your comment or any future ones you make because it's clearly a waste of my time. Have a great day!

Again you are not giving any context at all. You refuse to talk about his kit. Idk why you are even commenting on this thread or even responding to anything i say. You come off as if pyke is completely fine and hes not. You know it i know it and the entire community knows it. Lets talk about how we can fix him instead of dodging the issue and acting like there is nothing wrong with him when thats clearly not the case.