"We are gonna nerf lissandra because she is gonna have a little too much of everything"

Succubús GF··9 votes·2,571 views

Meanwhile irelias -5 ms nerf meant fucking NOTHING. She still has one of the best waveclears in the game Most mobile mid laner if not most mobile champion. Even yasuo has cooldowns and gates. High damage. High sustain. Damage REDUCTION. CC. A reset on her damage. Like come on LOL

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Hethalean4 votes

She doesn't have everything. Be real. She doesn't have invis, AND LET'S BE THANKFUL FOR THAT.

Succubús GF4 votes

Thats right. You know what true. We should just be thankful she doesnt have obscured

Hethalean3 votes

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Thats right. You know what true. We should just be thankful she doesnt have obscured

:)

SwiftKitten881 votes

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She doesn't have everything. Be real. She doesn't have invis, AND LET'S BE THANKFUL FOR THAT.

MY GOD DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS

Horse Grenades1 votes

Riot furiously patching now

Pillar Of SaIt3 votes

What I don't understand is why her W still can't be interrupted by anything

Doge20202 votes

If you know counter matchups and the strengths/weaknesses of champs, then you would realize that Irelia’s weakest time is in the early game. If you survive it and get ahead/even with the Irelia then she isn’t gonna be a huge problem. It’s when she goes midlane and takes advantage of the squishyness and low mobility of the champs seen there.

I play Garen against her (when she is picked top) and I win almost all the time. Your q silence fucks her up hard early and with Grasp I can usually get a first blood on her at lvl 1-2 or even when I am lvl 3.

Her damage reduction also roots herself in place, so you can simple wait for her w to go to the full duration or for her to end it early before you hit her with your CC. The only way Irelia can build up her passive (and conq if she has it) is by auto attacking or using q on the minion wave or champ. So to deny her a huge part of her power, poke her a ton early (preferably before lvl 2 so she can’t use her w) then bounce the wave back to your tower, freeze the wave and zone her. She can’t walk up without eating a ton of damage, and it opens her up for a gank opportunity.

Midlane Irelia will usually get Ignite, so if you are a mage then get Barrier. Grevious Wounds doesn’t reduce shields and her damage is low enough early on that she can’t really be able to burst through any defensive spells you have and through Barrier on top of that.

This post is me trying to help you understand why she isn’t as powerful as most people say she is, and giving tips on how to beat her in any lane as any champ. A friendly guide, she is in her right way powerful but she also has very clear weaknesses. If you take advantage of those weaknesses then you can win, which is why most people in low elo complain about her and lose to her. They fail to see her weaknesses and don’t take advantage of them, they don’t realize her strengths and fail to respect them and back the fuck up which means they end up feeding her.

Succubús GF1 votes

are you forgetting she does true damage. if her EARLY game is weak mid lane in your eyes. i dont even know where to begin

Doge20201 votes

I know she can deal true damage. So respect her damage and don’t want in a stupid way that lets you get initiated on while her passive and conq is fully stacked. If I remember correctly she deals true damage with conq, it isn’t part of her regular kit.

Btw I did mention true damage, in the part where I said zoning stops her from stacking her passive.

And I was also talking about top lane, I was just saying that she can be more successful in mid because everybody there is squishier and easier to burst down. And I mentioned mid a ton because that is usually the lane where Irelia is “broken”.

Ragnaveil2 votes

Do you realise these changes for Liss have been in the works for MONTHS? Like cmon, you gotta expect something like this.

Succubús GF2 votes

but -5 ms xd

Ragnaveil1 votes

Okay? And Graves got minus 3 AD yet I don't see you mentioning that.

SociaI Justice1 votes

3 ad is more impactful, especially when your autos deal 200% of your ad.

Seenan2 votes

Lissandra has shit damage and her 'mobility' on her E is so slow to actually get a decent distance away, you're probably gonna die anyway.

vgamedude1 votes

how does lissandra have a bit of everything? She has supremely low sustained damage for instance

Succubús GF1 votes

Thats their reasoning for nerfing her when her new passive comes out

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