A Zoe QoL buff

Xavanic·Sep 26, 2019·2 votes·1,845 views

just a minor buff i feel zoe could use, allow her to proc W passive on her own item uses aswell, not just W actives

10 Comments

Everyday LegendsSep 26, 20192 votes

As a Zoe player, I've always found it odd that it doesn't work this way. But then you realize that there's a reason why: It would allow you to itemize in such a way that you could trigger Spell Thief whenever you want. Instead of relying on Spell Shards and the long cooldowns of her own Summoner Spells, she could just get two or three items with actives and now she'll basically always have it whenever she needs it. So that's why. Simply put, Zoe would be able to exploit it.

XavanicSep 26, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Everyday Legends,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INKaJET1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-26T11:30:23.560+0000)

As a Zoe player, I've always found it odd that it doesn't work this way. But then you realize that there's a reason why: It would allow you to itemize in such a way that you could trigger Spell Thief whenever you want. Instead of relying on Spell Shards and the long cooldowns of her own Summoner Spells, she could just get two or three items with actives and now she'll basically always have it whenever she needs it. So that's why. Simply put, Zoe would be able to exploit it.

I mean lots of champs can exploit unique interactions in their kits why shouldn't zoe be allowed to? Riven animation cancel SoS on jax/renekton/riven with no ult cast time anyone with an AA enhacement that uses tri force Zoe's W passive isn't exactly all that powerful regardless on top of this, rn shes a high risk low reward champ....legit she NEEDS buffs, like why even play her if syndra or lux are available....they do everything she does but better, with less risk and more reward

CaptainAntiHerozSep 26, 20191 votes

or for her R to have 2 parts so she has an escape, because she gets engaged on way too easy for an "assassin mage"

XavanicSep 26, 20191 votes

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or for her R to have 2 parts so she has an escape, because she gets engaged on way too easy for an "assassin mage"

yeah i tried mentioning it, but ppl wouldnt let that fly, personally i would love her ult to have a bit of mobility esp since it would fit her trickster identity (Like an LB W that doesnt do dmg) but overall i just want to feel a little more rewarded, since even when i do well on zoe i feel powerless to anyone with a bit of mobility, esp since tenacity reduces her sleep duration

CaptainAntiHerozSep 26, 20191 votes

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yeah i tried mentioning it, but ppl wouldnt let that fly, personally i would love her ult to have a bit of mobility esp since it would fit her trickster identity (Like an LB W that doesnt do dmg) but overall i just want to feel a little more rewarded, since even when i do well on zoe i feel powerless to anyone with a bit of mobility, esp since tenacity reduces her sleep duration

her main problem is she cant handle being engaged on, i think if her R worked like a zed shadow but as a portal and had a slightly longer cd it would be more skill expressive and help her not be useless against things like Alistar Jax Jayce Khazix MasterYi Qiyana Riven

Especially since right now she just feels feast or faminine

Zane ZephyrSep 26, 20192 votes

you know it's kind of because she needs this thing called counterplay

CaptainAntiHerozSep 26, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zane Zephyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INKaJET1,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T06:17:42.122+0000)

you know it's kind of because she needs this thing called counterplay

Leblanc Zed Akali Talon Nidalee having mobility is fine though

XavanicSep 26, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zane Zephyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INKaJET1,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T06:17:42.122+0000)

you know it's kind of because she needs this thing called counterplay

she has lots, in fact, she's actually fairly weak most games, even when she gets fed due to her lack of mobility, like she only has 2 damage skills in her kit, BOTH of which are fairly easily dodged....on top of this her sleep...her only way to escape anything, is reduced by tenacity, meaning champs like zed/lb/riven/jax/etc. just need the tenacity rune and merc treads and essentially make zoe useless against them, on top of this, zoe also has one of the highest skill floors and ceilings in the game, only outmatched by champs like yasuo's level of complexity, 1 blink once in a while isn't gonna break her, in fact, it might just be the thing she needs right now

Malix FarwinSep 26, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zane Zephyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INKaJET1,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T06:17:42.122+0000)

you know it's kind of because she needs this thing called counterplay

She has counterplay you are just bad. Wanna see a champion without counterplay, refer to Pyke .

With that being said, she doesnt need buffs. If anything there are just simply too many other strong stuff. Riot has buffed enough things, thats how we got in this high damage mess to begin with.

XavanicSep 26, 20191 votes

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her main problem is she cant handle being engaged on, i think if her R worked like a zed shadow but as a portal and had a slightly longer cd it would be more skill expressive and help her not be useless against things like

Especially since right now she just feels feast or faminine

personally i feel it should work like LB W, but w/o dmg, maybe up the CD to around 10-15ish sec, not too long though since it is her ult and provides next to no dmg (or put it on say 20-25 sec and give her an untargetability window aswell immediately upon cast)