People are asking why Lucian isn't getting nerfed

D357R0Y3R··2 votes·1,372 views

Allow me to explain myself then

-Crit is getting buffed -Ashe Caitlyn Jinx Varus are getting buffed

So let me ask, do you know how lucian's laning works? Because if you do you should understand that he's going to be insanely weaker with cait getting ~~+55% damage on her poke spell, and Varus getting +50% damage on his ult (in addition to something like 0/10%/20%/30%/40% more damage on his W) there is no fucking way that lucian ever gets near the creep wave to cs with 500 range against 650 range.

Lucian was always garbage when cait was meta, you can't contest caitlyn as Lucian and then she will outscale you Lucian's win rate goes from 60% to 40% with the game duration, on both opgg and lolalytics. Lucian's entire winning condition is snowballing he can't snowball if 600 range adcs are viable and poke him/play safe not allowing him to trade.

Then you have crit being buffed, again do you think that a 500 range adc like Lucian who weaves spells in his combo is better with crit than item 3153 item 3071 https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Lucian take a look more than half of the time proplayers don't even build crit on him.

Crit right now is in a terrible spot where you need to build item 3095 because NOTHING ELSE is good , but the item is shit in teamfight because you need to not attack to get the bonus crit, so it skewers your playstyle into a poke playstyle unless you decide to not do anything until having 3 items.

I'm honnestly not a fan of buffing crit because it makes the game a casino simulation, but riot decided to do it and this nerfs lucian heavily

AND

they decided to buff enchanters

a class that doesn't synergize with lucian well because he doesn't need peeling, and they can poke lucian from a range higher than his range.

This is why Lucian IS getting nerfed but indirectly End of the story

7 Comments

Saevum2 votes

And with the new Top lane pool champs he won't go there neither.

The only thing left for Lucian is to ask The Warden to guide him to Senna.

nelogis2 votes

Ah yes since it is way better to buff 4 champions in order to nerf 1

What a brilliant way to do stuff also your post doesn't make any sense with itself (or rather your explanation for the changes)

Riot isn't nerfing Luc because crit is getting buffed and that, according to you, will nerf Luc indirectly but what is the reasoning behind buffing crit ADCs when crit is getting buffed anyway?

So you are double dipping on a buff which, as we have seen with the counterpart of double dipping on nerfs, just works BEAUTIFULLY doesn't it?

Singed and Yorick say Hi

This is just bramble vest and conqueror all over again!

Hey Fiora is too strong! Let's introduce bramble vest so Fiora is balanced while fucking over the entire healing-based roster of top lane that was balanced before.

"Nerfing Fiora directly? pffff, are you dumb or something?"

Hey tanks top are too strong! Let's introduce a keystone that gives 15% true damage! So literally every tank anywhere is getting fucked in the arse!

"Nerfing tank tops directly? pfff, are you dumb or something?"

This balance team is not learning a single thing from their mistakes.

Edit: By the way I haven't seen them talking about a crit buff but rather change the mechanic... again.

7 years with the same crit mechanic that worked perfectly fine that the old balance team created.

6 months and crit is getting reworked the second time, really goes to show how incompetend the current balance team is.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

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Ah yes since it is way better to buff 4 champions in order to nerf 1

Who would have known that those 4 champions are incredibly garbage? Better nerf Lucian to make them better except that then you have to nerf Draven as well, and then Jhin, and then kai'sa

better do all of that except of buffing hardcounters which would fix 2 issues.

Let me explain again if camille is broken buffing anyone would be pointless because camille is a better vi without any hardcounters

if lucian is broken WHILE his hardcounters are weak, buffing the hardcounters would fix him AND make the hardcounters good again

I can't grasp why the boards wouldn't understand that

nelogis2 votes

Mhm.... then Luc is weak and every other non-crit based ADC and then we buff 4 of them to nerf Cait.

Then we do the same the other way around

Again and again and again

It's called powercreep.

I know it sounds crazy but if something is strong you can actually just nerf it. Let's say you have a powerline of 0 that is perfectly balanced.

Let's say Luc is at 2 And Cait at -2

Instead of making Cait a 2 why can't we just make everything a 0?

Yeah weak champs exist that need buffs, but buffing something to nerf something else is stupid and like said, is this whole bramble vest and conq bullshit again.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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Mhm.... then Luc is weak and every other non-crit based ADC and then we buff 4 of them to nerf Cait.

you don't nerf cait by buffing non crit adcs Cait is an adc that has the laning phase decided by which support the enemy team picks due to her having the lowest base hp+lowest base ad + lowest base attack speed if she gets caught by an engage she can't win a 2v2 fight

Let's say Luc is at 2 And Cait at -2

Instead of making Cait a 2 why can't we just make everything a 0?

They're not making cait a 2 you're assuming that in order to counter Lucian, cait needs to be at 2 which is false logic.

Same with Ashe and Jinx and all 3 of them are not getting "OMAGAD LOOK AT THIS BUFF WILL BE BROKEN" like vayne, (and by the way I am against the vayne buffs)

Ashe is getting assists of E Jinx gets faster W Cait gets +20 damage on a delayed spell used to poke and waveclear (you don't use cait Q in 1v1) and higher range on ult

those buffs are here to make those champions better without straight up dealing more damage in 1v1 which will make them better at all stage of the game, and combined with crit buff picking them into Lucian won't be troll

buffing something to nerf something else is stupid and like said

it isn't, because weaker champions need buffs if they cannot compete against the whole game

nerfing lucian won't make ashe good at all AT ALL

picking ashe will still make you lose game by getting roflstomped by the other 4 roles

nelogis2 votes

it isn't, because weaker champions need buffs if they cannot compet against the whole game

nerfing lucian won't make ashe good at all AT ALL

picking ashe will still make you lose game by getting roflstomped by the other 4 roles

That may not work in other lanes but it is pretty much how it works at ADCs.

If you nerf ADCs then the next ADC will just take it's place. If you overshoot the nerfs THEN other champs come into the lane but there was like a 2 patch period where ADCs werent mandatory, for the rest of the 7 years they have been and propably always will be mandatory.

Nerfing Lucian will get other ADCs into the spotlight, that is how a lane works that only allows 1 type of class into it.

If you nerf Braum then he could get replaced by another tank support or maybe mages or echanters. There your logic can be applied but not to ADCs.

So yes, nerfing Luc will make Ashe more viable since the gap between her and the top ADCs has been decreased, do that enough and she will be viable as the gap will eventually reach 0.

crazÿ1 votes

i played lucian he's stronger than others adc thats new meta make him overpowered. and attack range its not about poke its just to make game balanced on bot lane and against any champion. who have high mobility and cc or who dose`t have mobility and cc

-525 attack rangeGraves Kindred Xayah Kaisa Lucian 550 attack range Vayne Draven MissFortune 575 attack Varus +600 attack range Caitlyn Ashe

its balanced how they change attack range on bot lane

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