Can we put a cap on lifesteal?

Niyumi··4 votes·1,046 views

You talk so much about how spellvamp was just "toxic," yet ADCs can just stack lifesteal and 1v3 and win if they have a hurricane -- even if they just stand there not moving. If you ask me, the ability to right click and become more of a drain tank than Vlad EVER was with WOTA is more toxic than an AP champ healing a tiny bit when they cast.

So, cap lifesteal. Make it only able to heal up to a certain amount of health per shot, or put a hard cap on the conversion ratio.

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

yet adcs dont have tank stats and are vulnerable

Niyumi2 votes

Tell that to them healing for 1000+ every 2 seconds. >.>

Geauxx2 votes

They can also die within that 2 seconds because they have no armor to keep them alive.

Niyumi1 votes

If they're not CCd the entire time, no, they will absolutely not die.

Geauxx1 votes

no, you don't need CC even, just Damage. send a fizz/zed or almost any other assassin or burst control mage and rarely will the adc be able to get more than one auto off before they randomly disappear under an array of abilities.

Niyumi1 votes

14/2 Renekton, 320ish AD. I can instagib their mid laner and top, but Graves has a shield from BT and survives my stun, then out-sustains my damage and wins.

12/0 Lulu mid, ~600 AP with Luden's and Lichbane. I can literally one shot anyone on their team, but their Jinx has a Maw, survives my E+Q, then comes out of polymorph and just kills me as I use my abilities all over again.

Full AD Illaoi with 350 AD and a Triforce + Sterak's, get a 6-man ult and 3 hits of my W, Ashe survives with ~40% HP and I die. Rest of her team didn't even touch me.

I really don't see them dying to anything that isn't a fucking literal nuke. If you don't CC spam them or literally one shot them, you lose. Period.

Geauxx1 votes

i could keep explaining to you how, but you won't listen, in the end it's you... considering ADC's aren't even the strongest spots, the only thing you've shown is that you get kited... along with the graves one being a bad example considering he gets bonus armor off his E

By the time one tentacle gets through the animation an adc would get around 2 maybe 3 autos off and then I'm sure you got kited from there on...

You described a lategame renekton whose damage falls off, lulu mid who nerfed out the wazoo, besides a lulu is never able to 1shot an adc not mentioning the fact that Maw itself is a strong item on it's own.

Illaoi, really? are you actually trying to say you're going to oneshot an adc with tri/steraks. Not even going to explain the illaoi one.

Show me the renek one vs graves. besides graves being one of the beefiest adcs. adding to his armor with his E(which stacks up to 4 times), I doubt he ever just builds pure damage without some bulk in it. I bet he also along with his E stacks, had a PD which gives 12% damage reduction from the last person he hit. That, anddddd I'm sure he also built Deaths Dance which turns another 15% of damage into a slow bleed as well instead of just instant damage.

Aaravos1 votes

Life steal is fine, but don't tell me adcs are squishy with item 3071 item 3046 item 3156

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

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Life steal is fine, but don't tell me adcs are squishy with item 3071 item 3046 item 3156

squishy compared to Ekko with item 3078 item 3068 item 3001 item 3072 item 3158 item 3053

or Yasuo item 3078 item 3022 item 3046 item 3031 item 3156 item 1001

Treune811 votes

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squishy compared to Ekko with item 3078 item 3068 item 3001 item 3072 item 3158 item 3053

or Yasuo item 3078 item 3022 item 3046 item 3031 item 3156 item 1001

Gnar item 3022 ?

Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I8J9dfpn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-05T19:27:39.210+0000)

yet adcs dont have tank stats and are vulnerable

Adcs have tank stats.Adcs can 100-0.

Marshbouy2 votes

Why would you cap lifesteal? It's incredibly easy to counter and anyone getting more than 30% is wasting gold.

Niyumi3 votes

Because it eliminates the one weakness that ADCs have, which is their squishiness.

Marshbouy1 votes

What? Since when does life steal suddenly not make them squishy? they still have -no resistances -low base health -low overall health and are incredibly vulnerable to anyone who understands how to actually kill them.

Niyumi2 votes

Because, short of spamming CC on them, you literally can't kill them -- even if you have a Mortal Reminder. They're supposed to be weak to people jumping on them, but they just aren't with how much lifesteal is around.

One time, I was playing Illaoi when she was still newish. I had ~350 AD, a Triforce, and a Sterak's to boost the damage on that. I ulted an Ashe's entire team, plus her spirit, having a total of 6 tentacles. She survived three hits of my W and all the tentacles because of all her lifesteal, killed me (had ~40% health at this point), and then went on to kill two more people before she died.

So, ADCs are a bit broken right now. Fervor, lifesteal and all the armor pen on items just makes them absurd.

Marshbouy1 votes

even if you have a Mortal Reminder

dude that's such a lie. If you are singed trying to 1v1 graves, ofc you are going to lose. If you have a teammate with you to help you aren't going to lose.

One time, I was playing Illaoi when she was still newish. I had ~350 AD, a Triforce, and a Sterak's to boost the damage on that. I ulted an Ashe's entire team, plus her spirit, having a total of 6 tentacles. She survived three hits of my W and all the tentacles because of all her lifesteal, killed me (had ~40% health at this point), and then went on to kill two more people before she died.

fucking what. That is not possible, not in the slightest. tanking a single W from 6 tentacles is almost a one shot. You are a liar. Stop posting bullshit on the gamplay forums.

Niyumi2 votes

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dude that's such a lie. If you are singed trying to 1v1 graves, ofc you are going to lose. If you have a teammate with you to help you aren't going to lose.

Not Singed, full damage Renekton with a Mortal Reminder and ~110 armor and Tabi passive, as well as my own lifesteal and a ton of CC plus red elixir. Graves just stood there and autod, never used abilities, and out-sustained my damage. I also get out-sustained as full AP Rumble, assassin Ekko, and so on. ADCs are just fucking invincible if you don't perma CC them.

fucking what. That is not possible, not in the slightest. tanking a single W from 6 tentacles is almost a one shot. You are a liar. Stop posting bullshit on the gamplay forums.

I wish I was recording it. But, Ashe attacks very quickly and heals fast enough to not die from it.

Marshbouy1 votes

no. You are a liar and a charleton. stop complaining about things that are not the issues.

Niyumi2 votes

I wish I was lying. But, ADCs are the gods of this season, and are almost unbeatable if you don't CC spam them.

DemainaNyx1 votes

That's the person you are supposed to CC. Either the ADC or the APC. Who are you wasting CC on then?

S0kaX1 votes

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no. You are a liar and a charleton. stop complaining about things that are not the issues.

Not the issues? Pfffff http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/368/767/59d.jpg , yes, yes those are the issues.

S0kaX2 votes

How can somebody disagree with this? Even as an ADC it's just too much life steal

jaymc11301 votes

It is capped...

40% is the LS cap. Has been since season 1...

Niyumi3 votes

Okay, so it needs to be lower. When you auto for 1100-1300, 40% of that is more than 400 an auto. That's just ridiculous, considering most ADCs have ~1.8-2.2ish/s AS.

TSP ECLIPSE1 votes

There is no lifesteal cap.

jaymc11301 votes

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There is no lifesteal cap.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal

Huh, well look at that. Must have changed some time this season. For all prior seasons the cap was 40%. The only champ that could attain a greater % was Sion with his Ult.

TSP ECLIPSE1 votes

To my knowledge there hasn't been a cap since launch. Just harder to obtain back then.

The HeraId1 votes

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