athenes vs ardent censer

SwiftKitten88··1 votes·1,616 views

when i play support Lux i ALWAYS getitem 3504

not only can i shield my ENTIRE team, but i can also give them the on hit effect and the attack speed bonus plus it makes my shield stronger with with my wind speaker blessing passive gives them armor and mr.

yet when watching lcs, i see champ like Karma and Nidalee getting item 3174

now to ME personally item 3174 seems like ti would be worthless on nid

it ONLY works when i heal allies and sicn most fo the time i am healing myself anyways what the point... plus the HP renegern donest matter much becuase i have a shield.. as as long as i have item 1410 i can get mana by going back into the jungle.

but also on Lux it STILL sounds bad to me

will it even WORK on every enemy it shields? becuase it isnt a insta sheild all like Karma has.. it shield on the way OUT and on the way IN.

so how does that work withitem 3174 ? it shield ME first so would it buff the shield on me? then it goes out. and if it hit an ally would only the FIRSt ally get the bonus? or would the sheild apply to me and all allies it hits in BOTH directions?

if it did THAT then i think it would be awesome. but i really don't know how it works with a Lux shield.

and overall when and on what champs should i get item 3174 over item 3504

7 Comments

SwiftKitten881 votes

i guess no one knows...

Bhagswag1 votes

It's just preference. Sona and Karma can make both work.

Silent Pace1 votes

item 3174 Only heals allies. Only heals the first ally hit. That should clarify it. item 3504 if your team has 2 or more auto attackers OR your team has no AP champions. item 3174 I wouldn't say it's worthless on Nid but there are better items and this might be situational like for siege. Odds are you'll finish the game before you need it. I prefer item 3174 more than item 3504. It costs less, it gives more mana regen and it gives a bit of magic resist. It also gives more cooldown.

Orinne1 votes

So how item 3174 is that if you heal/shield an allied champion (it won't register on you), if their health is below 100%, Athene's will apply to heal them, but only as much as the original effect amount is.

Since Lux's base shields in one direction are quite low, if she has max stacks on Athene's, she's most likely to heal the first 2-3 allied champions it passes through in addition to the first application of shield.

SwiftKitten881 votes

so what aboutitem 3174 on Orianna ? obviously it wont be an early item but it seems like if you are behind might be decent

DarkRitual1 votes

item 3174 Is great on single target point and blick abilities that work without a travel time. With Lux shield, you don't have much control, plus it's not instantaneous. It would only work on the FIRST ally it shields (For multitarget abilities such as Soraka ult, the closest ally gets it. This is similar to how Karthus ult with Luden's proc works). Nid likes it because you can walk into a lane, toss a spear, and if it misses, heal your laner and walk away. The heal helps them in lane even if your gank doesn't work out. In trade-heavy lanes, a free heal from time to time from your jungler is immense.

I also don't like Windspeaker's on Lux, even as a Support. Thunderlords is so much better on a burst mage. Q or E and a single basic attack procs it. When timed right, you can toss E, throw an Auto, and still pop E before the Auto hits proccing passive and Thunderlord's with it for a big damage spike.

item 3174 is good or decent on: Janna Lulu Orianna Morgana Nami Taric Soraka

item 3504 I generally buy on champs with two abilities in their kit with heals/shields. Janna Sona Soraka Taric Karma Nami (I count Nami because the double-heal on W).

item 3222 item 3401 item 3190 Is a fine build on most tanky supports, since you're building two shields and a heal effect to all get boosted by that passive.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Athene's is designed for half-offensive, half-defensive playstyles and that it is much better on single-target heals and shields, while Censer is for mostly defensive plays.

Because of the points above, Athene's is pretty much a very specific niche item.

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