New Black Cleaver

Woook3r··2 votes·1,260 views

Theres a new black cleaver out on the PBE. This feels like an item kog maw might build. He always built trinity bc of the phage passive, but I feel like black cleaver might do him better now that its getting this buff and he can get the phage passive with it.

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EndlessSorcerer2 votes

The Phage passive wasn't the only reason Kog'maw bought Trinity Force; he has great synergy with Spellblade, it makes him a bit tankier, and it gives him enough damage and utility to be useful mid-game. Kog'maw also deals a lot of magic damage and has innate armor/MR reduction, so this isn't that big a buff too him, though it is nice.

Personally, I think this item could be a god-send for bruisers since it gives them CDR, sticking potential, health, damage, and armor reduction. Personally, I think this item is going to make Gnar even scarier and help out tanky fighters (i.e. Xin Zhao, Darius, Jarvan) more than ADCs.

Hecarim jungle is also going to love it. Warrior + [New] Black Cleaver + Iceborn Gauntlet gives him a good mix of damage, utility, and tankiness which may bring him back as a popular jungler. I might actually try Stalker's Blade, [New] Black Cleaver, Cinderhulk, and Iceborn when it comes out...

Zarxis1 votes

Unless you're building Runaan's Hurricane, Kog'Maw has no way to spread the Black Cleaver armor shredding around. I'd only build it on him if you plan to get Runaan's.

Azlagor1 votes

?!? Kog builds the trinity primary for the sheen prok which he can reliably get on cd due his ult, and he scales actually with all stats it offers. The phage proc is just a awsome topiing on the trinity-cake. He has no Synergie at all with the BC, he doesn't really need the armor-shred as 50% of gis damage actually is magical, and he got a good %shred on his Q anyway. He also has no other way than AAs to apply the shred. If build AD, he doesn't even scale all that great with cdr. The higher W uptime is quite nice, but Q and E aren't high damage, and the ult is constrained by mana rather than cd. And mostly, you want AS on him, not really ad, so why on earth would you want the BC on him?

Woook3r1 votes

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?!? Kog builds the trinity primary for the sheen prok which he can reliably get on cd due his ult, and he scales actually with all stats it offers. The phage proc is just a awsome topiing on the trinity-cake. He has no Synergie at all with the BC, he doesn't really need the armor-shred as 50% of gis damage actually is magical, and he got a good %shred on his Q anyway. He also has no other way than AAs to apply the shred. If build AD, he doesn't even scale all that great with cdr. The higher W uptime is quite nice, but Q and E aren't high damage, and the ult is constrained by mana rather than cd. And mostly, you want AS on him, not really ad, so why on earth would you want the BC on him?

Calm down dude.

Woook3r1 votes

I figured you could wind up building him really tanky with a lot of armor pen. BC is going to give 500 hp now. Wits end shreds too and gives mr and as. so thats three items with botrk. then you just go tanky and maybe take sorc shoes bc your w. If you go for Spirit Vissage your w is only down for like 2 seconds.

Who wants to see kog maw with 3700 hp and tons of attack speed?

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