Hail of Blades's problem.

Ok sure but why··8 votes·6,752 views

Pros: -It's on the Domination tree instead of Precision, which means you can get 2-5 more AD than you would if you took Press the Attack and the D/S trees as a secondary. -Some champions such as Rek'Sai, Kindred and Vayne have kits that allow a quick succession of three auto attacks contribute to more damage. Even Darius could use it to proc his passive very, very quickly with a nice Q E A A A W R. But the bleed would keep him from using it consistently.

Cons: -The pros are really, really weak. -Press the Attack exists, and -Lethal Tempo exists. -Hail of Blades doesn't do damage of its own. Think about it. The Keystone on the DOMINATION tree deals no extra damage. The Keystone from the tree that's designed for "Burst damage" applies no additional damage of its own, whilst Press the Attack does. And if it's the attack speed that's good about it, then Lethal Tempo surpasses it at level 9!

As of now, Hail of Blades feels like it would be better as a secondary rune, alongside Taste of Blood or Sudden Impact. But I just got a couple ideas to change it up.

Option 1: -Remove the initial damage proc from Press the Attack, and put it on Hail of Blades, instead. Let any spell or attack proc Press the Attack to make that a sustain rune anyone can enjoy, from ADC's, to Mages, to Tanks, to Supports. -Give each of the initial 3 autos for Hail of Blades a small amount of bonus damage that scales off Bonus AD and AP, so it can actually have damage.

Option 2: -Just the second part of option 1.

17 Comments

Critmaster Garen11 votes

cons: it shouldnt even exist

marksmen are supposed to deal sustained damage, and not frontloaded burst, followed by sustained damage. theyre not supposed to be assassins. a keystone like that shouldnt even be considered to be made for them.

otherwise, if we just give defining strength of roles to other classes, might aswell screw it and give juggernauts an item that gives them a malphite ult.

nelogis13 votes

juggernauts an item that gives them a malphite ult.

Trusty... steed? 3500 gold

700 HP 30 AD UNIQUE ACTIVE: You wanna phite?! When activated, summon Malphites ghetto ass cousin Lil'Phite and ride on his back to knock up enemies in an area for 2 seconds.

Melee only bonus: Look like a badass

Riot implement when?

Warlord Rhinark7 votes

Hire this guy for the balance team.

Tokogawaruf2 votes

Get it on Malphite to Phite even more.

You´re Malphite after all, not Malrun. Mal-phite your Way to Success

ZackTheWaffleMan2 votes

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Lil'Phite

Somebody make this a meme.

Battalion3 votes

Kindred Finally has a keystone. I feel happy.

I would have it deal a burst of damage on the 3rd Auto, similar to the PTA.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Can't Kindred just take either Press the Attack or Lethal Tempo though?

Ok sure but why1 votes

That's kinda the point of the OP. People don't really need extra attack speed for three attacks as a trade-off for less overall damage.

Battalion2 votes

The first 3 attacks are the easiest to get with Kindred due to their low early game sustained mobility. They have 1 slow, which has to be used sparingly since it's also their only execute, and short 3 riven-like hops. They're a very all-in type of champion until mid-game when hopefully they have achieved the 4 mark range increase. Getting the first 3 attacks off is vital for early game pressure, especially in early games situations where you may only get 3 or 4 autos off anyway now you're getting 5-6. I still would like the 3rd Auto to do a burst of AD damage, Hall of Blades is not Ideal, but neither is PTA because PTA is just a generalized rune, not specifically that great with Kindred's kit. Before the changes to Dark Harvest, that's what I used to take with Duskblade for an all-in ranged Assassin play style.

Mordepool3 votes

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That's kinda the point of the OP. People don't really need extra attack speed for three attacks as a trade-off for less overall damage.

I would take it on Mordekaiser. I haven't crunched the numbers on his Q delays yet. ( Cant seem to find the formula).
But that's at least one hypothetical user

Battalion1 votes

Lethal Tempo isn't great, Kindred has very low base movement speed, the lowest tier besides one champion who I forget that has a tier to themselves. For a highly roaming champion, you'd think they'd be in the top two speed tiers, unfortunately that's not the case. So to get off all the Lethal Tempo attacks would be pretty difficult once the laner starts moving away; you'd be force to use the Mounting Dread ability which is the only slow in their kit, but also is their only execution (based off of missing total hp) in their kit. So you get to decide between slowing them for a chance to kill them, or nuking them towards the end, that decision alone more often than not decides a successful gank or not.

Short answer: Kindred doesn't have the kit to keep up with champions in order to make use of Lethal Tempo and it's 1.5 second delay.

Press the Attack is one of the most generalized Key Stones, in all honesty it's just over-powered, though without it kindred would be forced to go Electrocute and that'd be terrible.

º Kindred º1 votes

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Kindred Finally has a keystone. I feel happy.

I would have it deal a burst of damage on the 3rd Auto, similar to the PTA.

Im happy too :)

Shahamut2 votes

This rune adds up front damage with attack speed. Its different from both lethal tempo and press the attack in that the latter two have a wind up time. They are only "better" over an extended fight. BUT if you want a quick trade or a lot of damage out immediately, this rune fills that better than the other two.

It's in domination, so it by default will have bonus AD that precision doesn't grant. If you are combining the two trees, perhaps what you need to do is better decide what your goal is. Because as I stated: If you want quick damage now, hail of blades is better. If you are looking to stick and do more damage overall, the other two have wind up but will out perform if the fight lasts.

Jaspers1 votes

So, who is this rune for? What niche does it fill?

Maybe it might be better if it did extra damage on the 3rd attack, so you get bonus attack speed to get a more damaging 3rd attack. Different to press which will do more damage but no bonus attack speed, different to Lethal Tempo as that is a better attack speed buff.

Ok sure but why2 votes

It's almost like that's in my post. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Jaspers3 votes

.... oh yeah. You know I read that too. Downvoting myself for being an idiot. I guess I was more agreeing with you. Still don't know who it's for though... Aatrox maybe?

Death by Glamour1 votes

This keystone is for stomping lane

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