Why is graves a burst tank adc?

Heckin Support·Nov 15, 2015·4 votes·945 views

Can someone really defend the reasoning behind allowed graves to have 90 bonus mr and armor from his e?

9 Comments

MathbalnaseNov 15, 20153 votes

A) he doesn't get it immediately B) he has to be in very short-range of his opponents for a substantial duration in order to get the repeated CD reductions C) dude has basically no CC ...and finally... D) dude is already getting nerfed

SukishooNov 15, 20152 votes

D) dude is already getting nerfed

Only in Movement speed and Qs CD (so far) xD

MathbalnaseNov 15, 20151 votes

I see no change to Q CD. I do see Q damage (both instances) and mana cost nerfs.

But yes, that 'so far' is really important, here.

It's preseason, folks. Expect some shit to be broken.

edit: what I see on surrender@20:

Graves Movement Speed reduced to 340 from 345. End of the Line (Q) Initial damage reduced to 55/70/85/100/115 from 60/80/100/120/140 Secondary damage reduced to 85/145/205/265/325 from 90/155/220/285/350 Mana cost increased to 60/70/80/90/100 from 50/55/60/65/70

SukishooNov 15, 20151 votes

Yeah I meant the mana cost (late, cannot type xD)

Hayaishi2Nov 15, 20151 votes

because why not.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 15, 20151 votes

Because he has incredibly short range. Why do you think Urgot has damage reduction on his ult?

USG FailsawceNov 15, 20151 votes

90?

You can get up to 211 armor and 190~ MR 'easily' with him. It's not even funny.

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A) he doesn't get it immediately B) he has to be in very short-range of his opponents for a substantial duration in order to get the repeated CD reductions C) dude has basically no CC ...and finally... D) dude is already getting nerfed

A) he does get it pretty damn immediately. B) with the right items, the cooldown on his E is like 1.5 seconds in combat... and his gap closing is cake (dash + youmuus, auto auto, dash again...) C) he has an aoe slow... that also 'literally' blinds everyone in it lol. he has a dash, and an escape ult... D) you call that a nerf? LOL. they didn't even touch his E either..

He's the easiest champ I have ever played... Can close gaps and 2 shot other carries while tanking better than most tanks with far less (and 0 tank) items. 200 Armor/MR and lifesteal 40% hp back per 1k dmg auto.. no, certainly not broken..... <.<

He can solo Baron, so easily it's not even funny, as an ADC (not even jungle)... while LITERALLY taking no damage from it. HP doesn't go lower than 90%.

How can you POSSIBLY defend him? lol

MathbalnaseNov 15, 20151 votes

Assuming your 1.5s CD estimate is actually accurate, it takes Graves just over 4.5 seconds (the combination of cast time, human reaction time, and ping probably add at least 1 second to that for most players) of sustained heavy engagement to ramp up his defenses to their max. That is not 'pretty damned immediately' in a game where assassins exist that can unload their entire kits in under 1s.

He has a weak AoE slow tied to a vision reduction that is easily escaped / avoided in the first place. Is it useful? Absolutely. Is it potentially powerful? Certainly, if used in the right circumstances. Is it reliably strong CC? No, not really.

If Graves is still too strong after his current set of nerfs, I am quite certain that more will follow. Chill.

USG FailsawceNov 15, 20151 votes

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Assuming your 1.5s CD estimate is actually accurate, it takes Graves just over 4.5 seconds (the combination of cast time, human reaction time, and ping probably add at least 1 second to that for most players) of sustained heavy engagement to ramp up his defenses to their max. That is not 'pretty damned immediately' in a game where assassins exist that can unload their entire kits in under 1s.

He has a weak AoE slow tied to a vision reduction that is easily escaped / avoided in the first place. Is it useful? Absolutely. Is it potentially powerful? Certainly, if used in the right circumstances. Is it reliably strong CC? No, not really.

If Graves is still too strong after his current set of nerfs, I am quite certain that more will follow. Chill.

I should hope so, and Imagine so as well.

I was just pointing out how flawed your logic is mate.

On that note as well.. all assassins took a pretty gigantic nerf this patch, on many levels. Even one stack from his E, along with the tremendous amount of lifesteal he's capable of now.. is enough to survive most "assassinations".

I wouldn't wanna go near him with zed or leblanc or ekko or.. anyone lol. I've completely blown up stupid-fed rengars, and those are probably the downright worst to deal with lol.