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[opinion] These champion reworks made the characters worse

redfeenix··3 votes·1,343 views

When I started playing (Shyvanna release) I picked a few champions to learn how to play:

  • Shen - Had awesome skillset (qwe)
  • Gangplank - LOVE the idea of a melee character with a medium ranged skill (In all RPGs! )
  • Mordekaiser - same ^

However, now these champions are really complicated to play, and I didnt have much fun playing them.

  • Shen's Q doesnt even make sense and isnt satisfying. He cant farm from range anymore either (old shen could lane vs teemo at least, now I cant even get close)
  • Gangplank's E feels too much like a minigame. I used to recommend GP to new players, since he was point and shoot . However, now he is too complicated , and his e is boring
  • And Morde has completely lost his identity. Either make him a juggernaut with low spell dmg or a melee assassin like KASS. What is this half adc stuff? I think a SUIT OF ARMOUR should be a tank, not a mage

I think these reworks added no benefits to these characters, but instead made these champs less fun to play.

Maybe I'm dissapointed that my favorite champions arnt fun to play anymore. Sorry for the rant.

Lemme know if you think otherwise: [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

17 Comments

Reaper Review2 votes

Did you seriously just say Gangplank's new E is more boring than his old one? How is "AoE critical strikes + Spellblade procs + extra armor pen" more boring than "stats"?

Also, the kegs don't have too high a learning curve in lane, mostly learning to hide one and then using it to set off a second one instantly. Using them in teamfights is a bit harder, but very rewarding to pull off.

Shen, yeah, his rework is weird. Like someone brainstormed an idea for an Irelia rework, but they gave it to Shen instead for reasons.

Morde's gotten a lot closer to his old self than when he first got reworked thanks to some changes, to be fair. He only really needs that W passive removed and a bit of power put elsewhere, possibly.

redfeenix2 votes

Hey Reaper,

I think that the E is too gimicky and weird for a skill. Maybe something similar might be better in zigs kit, but not for a Pirate Captain.

Also my barrels always get shut down by ranged attacks and give free gold :(

I think a SUIT OF ARMOUR should be a tank eh, not a mage

Thanks for answering =)

Reaper Review2 votes

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Hey Reaper,

I think that the E is too gimicky and weird for a skill. Maybe something similar might be better in zigs kit, but not for a Pirate Captain.

Also my barrels always get shut down by ranged attacks and give free gold :(

Pirates make liberal use of gunpowder in their trade, so I don't see how powder kegs are unfitting for a pirate captain.

Also, against ranged champions, try leaving a keg in a brush where they can't attack it without vision on it. Then if they venture close enough to it, drop a second keg on them and detonate the first one.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I'm going to agree with Redfeenix, it feels too clunky to use in combat; sure if you're camping the enemy jungler to kill him after a buff it's easy, but in a teamfight his barrel is more bothersome to use than any of his other abilities. When gangplank was behind, he could still buff his team with attack speed to make up for a lack of items, but now he's next to useless.

Ralanr2 votes

I like Shen and GP's rework. I don't mind Shen's combo, as landing everything right makes you feel awesome.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

No.I like Gp rework.Also you add Viktor.Viktor's rework is garbage.

Gp's good rework, others bad reworks.

redfeenix1 votes

hey pal -

I didnt realize victor got reworked? Can you remind us what changed?

also is your name a reference to evil ninjas?

DrDiaga2 votes

I like shen. I never played old but I can see why so.e people may not like the change, but on a standalone basis I enjoy when.

GP minigame is a cool mechanic. Not really my flavor of champ but he is interesting to play. Old GP didn't have anything really going for him.

Morde was kinda ruined tho. He's been fixed a little since he doesn't go not unless op like release, but his solo lane still isn't as satisfying

redfeenix1 votes

think your comment cut out, whats your favourite part of new shen ? you enjoy when ... ?

DrDiaga1 votes

{quoted}

think your comment cut out, whats your favourite part of new shen ? you enjoy when ... ?

Enjoy shen. Auto correct sometimes butchers my posts. But I play him full tank. His q empowered aa's are pretty sufficient trade damage in lane, and late game proper taunts can swing a fight. His damage falls off later but at that point I'm in full tank and protect my team mode, and his q still adds decent damage plus taunt and sunfire. I enjoy that play style.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

The Gangplank rework is amazing. In order to be a melee carry, you need SOME serious benefit, and GP gets AOE Spellblade Crits that ignore armor. Sounds about right.

Farming up upgrades for his ult is also really fun and unique. Sure they mostly have a set order of power, but Raise Morale could really be awesome in the right team comp (like Rengar/Eve jungle or Annie support).

Mordekaiser is just a bad champion and Riot can't ever balance him. The sheer shift in tempo you get from turning a 5v5 into a 6v4 is insane.

Shen is weird. He receives a lot more punishment for missing his E now, and the constant mobility creep is making that skill harder and harder to land.

redfeenix2 votes

Actually my favourite part of the GP rework is the choices with his ultimate. I think Many champions could benefit with some choice on "upgrading" ultimates with additional effects, and not just damage.

And after Bankplank got nerfed (RIP HOG), Critplank is the way to go =D . I sometimes play him bot lane as an ADC during normals !

Linna Excel2 votes

I'm generally disappointed with Riot's rework team. Occasoinally they do something I like to a champ, but most of the time it seems like they spin the wheel of mythicality and use that as their inspiration for whoever they are working on.

stealthfox941 votes

Well I disagree with GP his rework is def better. Shen's rework isn't really bad he just needs a buff.

Bobloser35551 votes

I don't know.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I don't know much of shen, barely played him before, and haven't since his rework. I concur about gangplank though, his E is next to useless in aram, and a chore to set up in the rift against any mobile enemy. And I agree about mordekaiser too, sadly he was a better juggernaut before they reworked him.

redfeenix1 votes

Looks like most people like the GP e, but Mordekaiser seems unanimously bad.

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