sorry, not playing in a game i know for a fact is a loss.

The Bard Dog·Feb 11, 2015·5 votes·1,306 views

i fed, top fed, and jungle fed. its 11-29 with a fed swain, fiddle, and sion.

if you say not to surrender i will leave. im not wasting my time having LESS fun because some non-english speaking troll top and 4/4 adc think they can win it.

im all for trying your hardest, but when they're seriously toying with you and not pushing lane so you can come out and feed them some more, i no longer care about trying my hardest. its like graveyard camping in other games with pvp. the other team KNOWS they can win at any point they want. but they just don't end it because that would spoil the fun.

so no. im not staying in a game where no one can do anything to the other team including me.

35 Comments

Deep Terror NamiFeb 11, 20159 votes

That is the attitude one would expect from either;

A) A child B) A time-traveler who actually knows the outcome already

If you aren't one of those, you have no excuse for such behavior.

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hvf6ceLK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-02-11T17:36:33.257+0000)

That is the attitude one would expect from either;

A) A child B) A time-traveler who actually knows the outcome already

If you aren't one of those, you have no excuse for such behavior.

i guess im a time traveller.

TsundayFeb 11, 20153 votes

You suck at time travel just so you know.

AMYS GRAVEFeb 11, 20156 votes

How did you break the second law of thermodynamics? I think it's far more likely that you're just immature and shouldn't be playing a team game at all.

TeemoJenkinsFeb 11, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hvf6ceLK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-02-11T17:36:33.257+0000)

That is the attitude one would expect from either;

A) A child B) A time-traveler who actually knows the outcome already

If you aren't one of those, you have no excuse for such behavior.

+1 - a tardis reference would've been good here.

FHMarshyFeb 11, 20152 votes

TBH. Sometimes you really CAN'T help but feel depressed in games like that and want to just quit. Everyone fed, they have a scaling team, they have the objectives, they seem to make less mistake than your teammates, and your team won't stop blaming each other/cursing/talking trash/raging.

Really REALLY hard not want to leave

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20151 votes

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TBH. Sometimes you really CAN'T help but feel depressed in games like that and want to just quit. Everyone fed, they have a scaling team, they have the objectives, they seem to make less mistake than your teammates, and your team won't stop blaming each other/cursing/talking trash/raging.

Really REALLY hard not want to leave

nope but im a piece of shit for not wanting to play something im not longer having fun doing

mvargusFeb 11, 20151 votes

I agree Marshy, but it seems there is a large portion of the playerbase for this game who have the attitude that any surrender is somehow "wrong" because "this might be the 1 in fifty game where playing an extra 25 minutes means a win! Let's never quit and keep fighting."

Personally, I get more depressed that this attitude is so hardened in people's minds. It's not healthy and won't get you ahead in the business world. There are many truisms about wisdom and patience as well as learning to step back and try again, but in LoL you have people who insist that beating one's head on a stone is the best path forward sometimes.

Painful and depressing as it is. :P

mvargusFeb 11, 20155 votes

Valkyrie,

I see a lot of people with your attitude where even if the game is a blow out you insist that the player should. "Keep going! They might make a mistake and allow you to come back!"

That is very hard to believe in. It's not impossible, but it doesn't happen very often and it usually takes 30+ minutes of very intense effort. If someone is ready for that, great, they can push through, but this isn't a real life military, its a game. Even a loss in ranked isn't going to be the end of the world. There is no one standing at your shoulder saying "if you fail to win this match I put a bullet into your brain." AT least I don't have that. :P

Now, I won't ever leave a game early, and my rule is I will only call for a surrender once. If it gets voted down I play out the match as best I can, even if I know that its over. I've even voted down some surrenders when I thought the game was still in doubt. (I will vote my conscience when others call for surrenders, but always play the match out)

However, and I've said this a few times. There is a point where the people refusing to surrender are just being selfish. Some games aren't going to be pulled back from the brink. I've had a few games where the obviously superior team just started toying with the team I was on. THey could have easily won, but instead of pushing over the inhibitors and winning they wanted to pad their KDA scores and would retreat hoping to entice my team to chase. And that's what they usually got. My teammates would race down mid thinking. "Push this time and we win." and then get wiped out somewhere near the river in the teamfight that ensued. Heck, I'd go with them like a good team player which only adds to my frustrating as I hate dying in a useless endeavor which is what games like that often become.

The "never surrender' attitude really hurts the game because there are unwinnable games. Yes, you might pull out 1 occasionally, but its not often. I've said before I can think of 1 of 30 games like that where I have participated in a win. It's really not enough when you consider the fact that I've probably spent 10 hours in games post first call for surrender where we eventually lost. Unlike you I don't consider the 1 win fair compensation for 10 hours wasted in the losses.

ZydinFeb 11, 20151 votes

The fact that you said you would still try to win if the team didn't surrender is what people should do.

Going AFK or quitting insures that your team is going to have an even harder game then they already do.

If i was in a situation where someone said they are going afk cause they didn't think we could win the game I would do what ever I could to keep from losing the game for as long as possible just to keep them out of other peoples games. Of course if I had the chance to win I'd take it ASAP.

mvargusFeb 11, 20151 votes

It's a team game. I might completely disagree with the idea that we can pull it out, but if the team disagrees I'm not going to sulk because they don't agree. As I said, I have seen one game where we pulled it out even though at the end we were down by 34 kills. (we had 46 the other team had 80). IN truth the game should have ended around the 30:00 mark. We were ahead in gold after 26 minutes but they were pushing our turrets constantly and dominating everything except dragon. (I was grabbing every dragon I could from bot lane and they weren't stopping me - ADC Jinx) However, the other team stopped pushing our turrets and started looking for kills. My team went into a turtle/split push spree. I'd sneak out and try to take every turret and inhibitor I could starting from bot lane and if I was respawning, master yi was going top lane and doing the same thing. (I think we dropped 10 inhibitors total during the match since they'd respawn and we'd have to return to do it again while defending our own base the rest of the time.)

IN truth the other team didn't make any mistakes. We just finally scaled up enough to be able to hold off the other team in 3v5 team fights (which seemed to be all we ever had) and they were unwilling to push through if they lost more than 2 members in a team fight. Even when at 50 minutes they aced my team and finally destroyed 2 inhibitors they didn't finish the job and finally at 65 minutes in Master Yi was able to take out their nexus before they could recall to stop him.

Fun, yes. Frustrating, you have no idea. The funny thing is I can't remember many surrender votes. We knew we were way behind. (8.6K gold at 52 minutes), but the other team clearly wasn't confident in their ability to push despite being so many kills ahead.

But I've had games go 50 minutes where everything after the 25th minute was a hard slog and the loss was never in doubt.

As for someone like the OP. I don't like what he does. It's not right to go AFK or leave because "gg, we fed and can't win." I don't agree with that attitude as my post has indicated. At the same time, he's probably suffered through the same thing I have. Too many games where a surrender wouldn't happen because 2 people didn't want the game to end and the other team starts effectively toying with us.

A great example in my mind is baron. I've seen teams that are pushing inhibitors over suddenly go. "Hey! let's go take baron." I end up wondering. "Why?" The nexus is the main goal and with just a little push you can take the nexus turrets and win. Moving away from the nexus just to collect baron isn't achieving the win.

I've even been in on a loss when between Baron and the other team being able to set up their attack my team got aced right after finishing baron and the other team took advantage, pushed for the nexus and won, despite us having the baron boost. In this time we gave the other team that miracle win that a few posters here dream about, mostly because of that "we don't surrender" attitude that seems to go along with "we don't understand objectives". If teams concentrate on job #1 which is to work to take the nexus down, most of these games don't became slogs and the problem disappears. It's when teams seek to pad KDA results or think: "Let's get baron as we are so far ahead." and then fail to do it properly that comebacks are even possible.

Deep Terror NamiFeb 11, 20151 votes

I skimmed through real quick and immediately noticed you say "never surrender attitude";

Ya well too bad, I never said never to surrender.

GundayMondayFeb 11, 20157 votes

Please never be on my team.

TsundayFeb 11, 20155 votes

Go find a new game that can be played with AIs or 1v1 then. Don't play a team game if you're just going to give up on the game. I kind of hope you left the game and you got multiple reports. If that's your attitude in games I'm just going to wait for LeaverBuster to get you because that shit is just rude.

Mayor StubbsFeb 11, 20153 votes

Then don't play league. It's a team game, clearly your teammates think there's a possibility just as much as you don't think there is and it's not fair to take that away no matter how frustrated you get.

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fortune Pie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hvf6ceLK,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-02-11T18:13:44.437+0000)

Then don't play league.

thats exactly what i did. i stopped playing. thank you for telling me to do something i already did. everyone on my team knew it was a loss. but we had a non-english speaking top trolling us, and ONE person who thought being 4/4 was enough to carry a game where sion was 10/2, swain was 6/1, and fiddle was 7/0. at 20 minutes. nope. don't care what any of you say, unwinnable, and pointless.

OmManiPadmeHumFeb 11, 20151 votes

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thats exactly what i did. i stopped playing. thank you for telling me to do something i already did. everyone on my team knew it was a loss. but we had a non-english speaking top trolling us, and ONE person who thought being 4/4 was enough to carry a game where sion was 10/2, swain was 6/1, and fiddle was 7/0. at 20 minutes. nope. don't care what any of you say, unwinnable, and pointless.

And I think this is the root of why you lose in this manner. worrying too much about KDA. My last game I played I was nasus and fed the top riven (she got lucky tower diving with jung help, but thats for a different conversation). I gave up first blood and was down 0-3. My team was still postive, I got 1 gank, starting farming like a boss, and low and behold, I ended up with around 500 stacks despite having VERY low stacks early and mid game and we won.

Just stick it out, farm your ass off, and do the best YOU can do. do NOT worry about what others are doing. Some players have "off" days. Just deal with it and queue another game man. I am saying this to you, because in the off chance I get queue'd with you down the road, I don't want you to freak out if I again go 0-3 on my nasus.

Mayor StubbsFeb 11, 20151 votes

Thank you for making a post on a game forum for a game you no longer play and wasting everyone's time. good riddance

AnomanderFeb 11, 20153 votes

You sir should go back to single player games.

OmManiPadmeHumFeb 11, 20153 votes

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i fed, top fed, and jungle fed. its 11-29 with a fed swain, fiddle, and sion.

if you say not to surrender i will leave. im not wasting my time having LESS fun because some non-english speaking troll top and 4/4 adc think they can win it.

im all for trying your hardest, but when they're seriously toying with you and not pushing lane so you can come out and feed them some more, i no longer care about trying my hardest. its like graveyard camping in other games with pvp. the other team KNOWS they can win at any point they want. but they just don't end it because that would spoil the fun.

so no. im not staying in a game where no one can do anything to the other team including me.

Jack,

I sincerely hope this is a troll. Because you sir, are the epitome of why I hate when people give up. I can't tell you how many times, I have been down that many, in a 4v5 even, and all of a sudden someone on the OTHER team drops (whether dc'd, or afk'd or w/e), and then we came back and won it. There is a reason there is a common term of "throwing a match" in this game. because it can EASILY happen. Hell, after the 30-35 min mark, if the other team tries a Baron at lower than optimal health, go balls out on them, ace them and win the game...

There are many options to turn it around. Make THEM fight for the win....then be cool and say "gg wp" at the end and move on. Why be a douche about a loss. Leaving a game is the epitome of being a sore loser. If a football team is down 45-0, do you expect players to just walk off the field and go grab a hot dog in the stands because a loss is inevitable? Just finish the game like a man (or woman), and queue another match.

my 2 cents.

ZydinFeb 11, 20152 votes

All it would take to turn the game around is for the other team to do something stupid, it happens. I've had 4v5 games where we only took 1 turret and they took all three inhibs and then did something stupid and we won the game.

disregardableFeb 11, 20151 votes

Personally, I think it's pretty obvious when you're in a game where they're going to make a game-breaking mistake or not. Things like ignoring a split pusher, never grouping, not taking any dragons or barons, the carries are all AP, etc are pretty clear indicators that you'll win this game if you keep stalling. Assuming you don't have a Nasus, if the enemy team isn't showing any significant weakness 20 minutes into a game where everyone on your team did poorly or meh, you may as well FF.

ZydinFeb 11, 20152 votes

It's not always obvious when someone is going to make a mistake. Mistakes tend to be unpredictable when there are 10 people factoring into whether something you do or don't do is a mistake. All it would take is for someone to move the wrong way and get hit by an ability or a simple miss click to cause someone to mess up and cost the games.

disregardableFeb 11, 20152 votes

Yes, people say that all it takes to mess up is one little mistake, and a small minority of games are lost that way. But that's all they are, a small minority. When you are losing by a large margin, you need more than a little mistake to come back.

TulareFeb 11, 20152 votes

I respect your decision to call for a surrender when you're NOT having fun. All I ask is that you respect my decision not to surrender when I AM still having fun. The thing I certainly don't respect is when somebody who is not having fun deliberately tries to ruin the game for everybody else so that they'll be willing to surrender.

Before somebody chimes in with "You thinking losing is fun!?" or "You think getting stomped is fun!?", the answer is "Sometimes, yes." Maybe not in some of these scenarios where the other team is drawing it out intentionally or being sore winners. If most of the players are exhibiting sportsmanship and camaraderie, however, a guaranteed loss won't really make me enjoy that game less.

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20151 votes

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I respect your decision to call for a surrender when you're NOT having fun. All I ask is that you respect my decision not to surrender when I AM still having fun. The thing I certainly don't respect is when somebody who is not having fun deliberately tries to ruin the game for everybody else so that they'll be willing to surrender.

Before somebody chimes in with "You thinking losing is fun!?" or "You think getting stomped is fun!?", the answer is "Sometimes, yes." Maybe not in some of these scenarios where the other team is drawing it out intentionally or being sore winners. If most of the players are exhibiting sportsmanship and camaraderie, however, a guaranteed loss won't really make me enjoy that game less.

the top was having fun making us suffer while he solo pushed top, calling us feeders (when he fed all game), our support wanted to surrender, and so did our jungler. but because adc had an even kda before full on teamfights started, she said no. and because top just didn't care and was busy solopushing a lane he lost extremely hard, we couldn't surrender.

TulareFeb 11, 20151 votes

While I probably would also have agreed to surrender in that situation, your adc felt differently. If she was still having fun, I ask you to respect her decision in exactly the same way that I asked you to respect mine. People play this game with different motivations. I think it's implicitly agreed that by joining a pick-up team, you acknowledge and accept that your team mates may not be motivated in the same way that you are. If it's especially important to you that all of your team mates share your motivations, then I'd recommend playing more often with like-minded friends.

warpenguin555Feb 11, 20152 votes

time to down vote, i believe we can get -600 on this one

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20151 votes

honestly, i wouldn't even care if we lost. but it was an absolute blowout against an extremely tanky, high burst, high sustain team. that alone was enough for me to decide we can't win, and there's no point in playing this anymore.

OmManiPadmeHumFeb 11, 20151 votes

but that is 1 game out of HUNDREDS. No one wins all games. Even pro's experience blowouts.

I'm not saying there isn't a time for a surrender, hence why it is a option in this game. I'm saying that the only time you should really use it, is if you are all dead, and have 60 second timers and you don't want to wait the minute to watch them kill 3 towers and 2 inhibs, or there is an afk/dc situation and you can't cover the map properly to defend or the teamfights are just truly unwinnable.

Otherwise, just play it out, work on your mechanics. work on last hitting some minions in base...ANYTHING. Practice ANYTHING and it will make you a better player.

The Bard DogFeb 11, 20151 votes

yep. you're right guys. im a massive piece of shit because i don't want to play a toxic rage fest of a game that won't end until the enemy team who refuses to push decides when THEY want to end it. im sorry. im so terrible because i perhaps made the game less fun for ONE person, when that person's stubbornness coupled with a non-english speaking troll attributed to three people who weren't having fun being forced to stay in a match they no longer wanted to play.

im such a piece of shit contributing to the garbage of the community because of that. im so sorry guys.

INTER5TELLARFeb 11, 20151 votes

Can't tell you how many times it's gone to late game, the enemy team slips up and gets aced in my base with 60 second death timers and we wreck their inhibs, securing a win.

I know it doesn't always happen, but stick it out and don't be a dick...be a dude.

SaevumFeb 12, 20151 votes

Guy, even i know that's bad thinking.

But ill give you some words to think about:

"There's no surrender button on Ranked Solo Q" (even more when someone on your team is having their promos, and they comment that on the chat. You must certainly know how it feels when you see that surrender window pop up out of nowhere during your promos).

The Bard DogFeb 12, 20151 votes

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Guy, even i know that's bad thinking.

But ill give you some words to think about:

"There's no surrender button on Ranked Solo Q" (even more when someone on your team is having their promos, and they comment that on the chat. You must certainly know how it feels when you see that surrender window pop up out of nowhere during your promos).

this wasn't ranked. this was a normal. part of the reason i decided "im not gonna waste 20 more minutes of my time when i have other things i need to do today for a NORMAL